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In this viewtopic.php?p=2845564#p2845564 thread, gherkin had mentioned Frankenstein as a fictional book that criticizes modern society. I have two books in mind, and I'd like gherkin's and others' comments on how these are relevant too. I have a basic idea, yes, but I look forward to hearing from you.

The Invisible Man, HG Wells
The Strange Case Of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, RL Stevenson

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I read the Invisible Man once, probably thirty years ago, and Jekyll and Hyde once or twice, a bit more recently. I like Stevenson, but I would say Jekyll and Hyde is perhaps my least favorite work of his (of those I've read). I do not view it involving as any kind of attempt at philosophical or social commentary. Just a neat yarn.

I think I'd say the same about the Invisible Man. But I could be wrong. This one might well be another yawn-inducing take on the Ring of Gyges or whatever, if you want to try to read something into it. As I say, though, it's been a long time. I would consider Wells definitely to be a bad guy philosophically, so if there's some attempt at making a point in this book, it's probably a bad point.

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A scientist becoming invisible and using it to loot

A man having a sort of internal struggle, good and bad; conscience and desire.

These seem to lend themselves rather easily to your worldview.

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Here's Chesterton, interestingly

https://platitudesundone.blogspot.com/2 ... e.html?m=1

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https://www.thegregorian.org/2012/the-m ... enaissance

I have no time right now...read this piece.

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gherkin wrote:
I read the Invisible Man once, probably thirty years ago, and Jekyll and Hyde once or twice, a bit more recently. I like Stevenson, but I would say Jekyll and Hyde is perhaps my least favorite work of his (of those I've read). I do not view it involving as any kind of attempt at philosophical or social commentary. Just a neat yarn.

I think I'd say the same about the Invisible Man. But I could be wrong. This one might well be another yawn-inducing take on the Ring of Gyges or whatever, if you want to try to read something into it. As I say, though, it's been a long time. I would consider Wells definitely to be a bad guy philosophically, so if there's some attempt at making a point in this book, it's probably a bad point.



The main problem with Jeckyl and Hyde is that, for us, there is no drama. The story is a mystery, we are supposed to spend the entire story wondering who this "Hyde" is and what he has done to Jeckyl, the revelation, at the end the book, that they are the same person is supposed to be a surprise, but of course, it isn't because we know the ending the entire time.

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Op cit, chapter 3, "Youth and Edinburgh", pp. 50-51, Sheed and Ward 1955 reprint.

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Banned for having a reprint and not the original.

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Banned for having a reprint and not the original.


:(

I know.

:cry:

It happened thusly, mainly. When I first started my Chesterton mania, I went mostly to the few titles in print, from about three -four publishers (Sheed and Ward, Image paperbacks, Darwin Finlayson).I knew nothing much of the world of OOP books/dealers. At the time, that is. Then I found a wonderful man in Chicago who was a specialist in pre-Vat 2 authors. I joined his "book club" by selecting a years worth of his titles, which were varying editions and varying prices, to be sent to me, a book a month. Since I was an unfledged accumulator, and impecunious, I selected the least costly versions available, not the highest collectible grade. I was a reader, not a collector. And the most affordable reprints were of the most common titles, due to their popularity the most often reprinted. The more uncommon books, at the time (mid 1960s), were available only in earlier printings, often limited to first editions, though not necessarily first printings. And I merely marched trough his catalogs, getting everything, but not necessarily wanting to pay a premium for more collectible stuff. So my collection was motley, in that sense.

This went on for 18+ years. My collection grew, mainly of Chesterton and Belloc, but also Ronald Knox, Christopher Dawson, Arnold Lunn and others. I stopped in 1988, due to my impending life change (retired from AF) and uncertainty about future. And I was slow to return to building that particular part of my library. But when I discovered the internet, and Ebay (FUN!), I started upgrading my Chesterton, and have gotten far more first/collectible editions than I once boasted. But modest volumes still may be found on my shelves. And this is one.

My thanks for bringing this up. The above is taken from my on-going project to explain everything about myself (tentatively labelled HOW I GOT THIS WAY), which appears in various places, unexpectedly.

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 Post subject: Re: gherkin, books and modern society
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Perhaps we'll see the book, The World According to Gherkin. Or not...


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