Its a joke.

Actually, it is the mantra of the liberals, but they just don't get it.

Anti-Catholics, like John MacArthur, have said that through out time "true christians" have understood that the RCC is a false religion and a Satanic organization. Yet I've never seen one shred of evidence to support such claims.............?

:)! That's probably because they have no evidence strong enough to not be "shot down" by Catholics who know their faith. (to them)

Saralaughs

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There is circular reasoning and then there is irony. The spear is metaphor. You didn't get any of it. Christ taught in parables and you don't understand irony and metaphor? Here it is in verse:



So you tell me, what does it say? How is it to be interpreted otherwise?

Condemn Protestants and condemn yourself. Protestants to Catholics likewise.

Somehow I don't think Jesus meant to endorse moral or doctrinal relativism.

Fish didn't say that we couldn't still have fun condemning Protestantism!

One love!

Yes. And Catholics to Protestants likewise. For I have learned that if you do otherwise, they have already won. I know that sometimes people come here with bad intentions and they attack, while others are honestly seeking guidance. But a very wise Catholic moderator/administrator on this board told me not to judge another Protestants intentions, because everyone, regardless of their intentions is a potential convert.

What does this mean to you? Is this moral relativism?

"For God so loved THE WORLD that he gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16.

To me this means that Christ not only died for Catholics, but Protestants also, for people who speak English, and people who do not, for atheists, for agnostics, for murderers, for thieves, for THE WORLD. Yes, I have chosen the RCC because I believe it is the one true faith, and the Church established on Peter was given the charge to preach the gospel to ALL PEOPLE.

I have even seen Catholics attack, deny or falsely accuse other Catholics here too. Unfortunately for me, I was also drawn into this mentality and did it also, for which I have asked forgiveness. It's not just me. It's not just you, but many. Jesus knew this would also happen. Even Peter told Him, I will follow you anywhere. Jesus told Him that before the "cock croweth" (dawn), you will deny me three times. Did this happen? Yes.

Isn't it true that every belief system is either circular or built upon unprovable axioms? (If everything you believe can be proven by other truths, those other truths in turn must be either given or proven, and so on.)

All belief systems have a central premise...upon which a structure is constructed. That central premise is often unprovable.

There are three ways of knowing.

Traditionalism / Realism -- a journey of knowledge, guided by Tradition, Reason and (sometimes) Revelation; openness to the surrounding Reality and humility are central.

Rationalism -- the attempt to construct a system based on an asserted axiom that may not be challenged (like sola Scriptura).

Eclecticism -- a pick-and-choose approach from different traditions and systems, of which those parts are accepted that appeal to a person's feelings for whatever reason; dogmatic conclusions are avoided.

Somewhat comparable to Catholicism, classical Protestantism, modern Protestantism; or Christianity, Atheism, Agnosticism.

Given my point above, could one not conclude that eclecticism is a belief system which has the basic premise that truth can be found anywhere by anybody using any means? That essential tenent cannot be proved or disproved, but if accepted, allows a structure that is as you have described.

I like what Defender said.

Saralaughs

Maybe, but Eclecticists do not like starting from axioms.

I am a Realist, of course, and I wouldn't say that I start from an axiom. Reality is the ground of all our knowledge and investigation, including the knowledge of the axiom. We investigate Reality rather than the logical consequences of our starting point.

Protestants do not believe in Christ.

They just believe in themselves.

Yes, He died for them.

No, they do not have everlasting life, not unless they stop being Protestants and become Catholics. The same goes for every other group you can think of --including Catholics who are called to daily conversion.

Pax, that is such baloney.

Sorry, Mishna, but your "infallible" teaching is not binding on members of the Mystical Body of Christ.

Please find the actual teachings of the Magisterium that deal with the Mystical Body of Christ and the unity of the Church, and cite them for me so that I may be illuminated as to my error.

Pax, I've posted the actual teaching of the Magisterium before. You know it already. Your error lies in these statements above. But if you need to believe that to feel somehow more "saved" than others, then fine. It's just not wise to make blanket statements like that. And it's not accurate either.

Saralaughs

I agree with Saralaughs.

My august predecessor, your problem is that you do not know honest, open-minded, Christ-loving Protestants who simply happen to be misinformed, and some other people do know them. I, for one.

And I agree with Saint Augustine, Father and Doctor of the Church, who says: Those who pick and choose among the Scripture believe themselves rather than the Scriptures.

But, if Augustine's words do not move you, why not take the words of Pope Pius XI over those of Sarahlaughs? I am sure you will agree he is a slightly higher authority.



Wow! It is foolish and out of place to claim that those who are disunited and scattered are in communion with Christ.

How's that for "baloney"?