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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:29 pm 
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Ok then, shall we apply the same logic to say all catholic theologic writing and say it "comes from God" so there is nothing special about the bible?


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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2021 2:59 pm 
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So no one sees anything special about Hebrew?
There is so much in the language that is mysterious and unbelievable not to mention its the language of scripture.
Everything the Jews did was inspired directly from God, their clothes, their food, how to prepare the food, The temple, vestments, The Arc of the covenant, Scripture, every minor detail, but not their language?

Oh, no its just another sociologic construct equal to all other sociologic constructs.

Were those other languages nailed to the Cross?

Heres one little example (I think I came up with this) The last letter in the Hebrew aleph bet is a cross, the tau.
"The Word" is concluded by a cross! Oh that just a coincidence. Right?

The psalms have numerous chapters that are 22 verses long for the 22 letters of the aleph bet. Acrostics

Im no language expert but when you look at Hebrew just a little it is extraordinary.

I know I know, someone is going to poo poo everything and say oh there were other forms of Hebrew and not just one form and they didnt have a Tau, or whatever.


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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:25 pm 
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I'm going to say exactly that. You're too eager to connect dots that don't actually form a pattern.

None of the forms of tau look like a cross; some look like an x. It's not until the letter makes it into Greek that it goes upright.

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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
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Mmmm...dots.

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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:42 am 
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So no one sees anything special about Hebrew?
There is so much in the language that is mysterious and unbelievable not to mention its the language of scripture.
Everything the Jews did was inspired directly from God, their clothes, their food, how to prepare the food, The temple, vestments, The Arc of the covenant, Scripture, every minor detail, but not their language?

Oh, no its just another sociologic construct equal to all other sociologic constructs.

I think someone might reasonably hold that there is space between "sociological construct equal to all others" and "came directly from God".

The Bible reports all that stuff you mention--all the directions God gave to His people. I don't recall it ever suggesting that he started out by giving them the language in which the other instructions were going to be given. The language can be hallowed by its long sacred use, and can be special for a thousand reasons, without its having been miraculously handed down from God.

I have no worries at all about you holding whatever view on this that you like. But when you adopt a quirky position based on your own reflections you can hardly get huffy when others are, shall we say, not impressed with your reasoning.

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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
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I dont know where to start here, but I find all of you a challenge, to be inspired by the mysteries of God. Yes I know everything we need to know for our salvation has already been revealed. But there are things which strengthen us and inspire that may be learned or possibly discovered.

Know this, the world was created by God, using words! (I wonder what language He was speaking) "He spoke and it was made" Psalm 32(33); 9, then Psalm 33(34); 9 says, "taste and see", Here are corresponding verses 9, in back to back Psalms, the priest in Persona Christi speaks the "words" of the consecration, and it is made, "taste and see". My point is I believe I discovered a hidden allusion to the Mass in the Hebrew scripture. I know some one will say, "there are a lot of those" yes I know But have you seen this one? Things to be discovered. Words spoken create.


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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
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It’s rather presumptious to assume that we all need to be inspired. I do find our faith inspiring. I don’t need unsupported concepts to make that happen. There are plenty of well-established things to provoke awe.

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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
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Stargazer wrote:
Know this, the world was created by God, using words! (I wonder what language He was speaking)

Latin, duh.

Seriously, it sounds like you're taking this is a very confused sort of way. God isn't in time. He doesn't speak any language at all, in anything remotely like the same sense in which we speak languages.

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My point is I believe I discovered a hidden allusion to the Mass in the Hebrew scripture. I know some one will say, "there are a lot of those" yes I know But have you seen this one? Things to be discovered. Words spoken create.

Like I said, you should of course feel free to report your ideas here, but it's silly at best to get huffy when people aren't impressed. :salut:

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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
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Vern Humphrey wrote:
Stargazer wrote:
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Seriously? Hebrew can only have come from God?



Whoa! Ok before I go off the deep end. So you do not believe Hebrew could have come from God?

Only in the sense that everything comes from God.

If Hebrew "comes from God" in a special sense, what about Egyptian, Arabic, Aramaic and Phoenician? Those are all closely related languages.


What? should we feel sorry for the other languages cuz maybe they feel discriminated against? Moses did'nt write in Phoenician

It's like saying If the Bible "comes from God" "in a special sense", what about Ambrose, Augustine, Aquinas? Those are all closely related.

Yeah but they are not scripture.


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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:41 pm 
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Ok I confess. Most of you need no inspiration.

Just listen to this maniac inspired by the Hebrew language. I cant believe how crazy he is, he doesn't believe Judaism is a construct of a peculiar society. Crazy



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbX9VfuGEYk


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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:48 am 
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
It’s rather presumptious to assume that we all need to be inspired. I do find our faith inspiring. I don’t need unsupported concepts to make that happen. There are plenty of well-established things to provoke awe.


So before you give a homilee you should excuse those from the congregation who need no inspiration since that would be presumptious on your part to impose a homilee on everyone. I mean you would have to if you were to be consistent in the application of your logic.


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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:06 am 
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Wow. That is stunning. The homily is part of the mass. Father is obliged to preach a homily. You are not obliged to share your "insights" here. Also, Father stands in a paternal relation to his people. He is the shepherd of their eternal souls. You cannot extend Father's preaching to cover your desire to play mystic to a bunch of strangers on the internet. It is absurd.

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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:11 am 
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If someone doesn't like a homily, then I just hope it was a homily someone else needed to hear that day. I don't get upset, and I don't blame them.

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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:13 am 
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I just assumed you got huffy about it. :fyi:

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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:17 am 
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:hissy :rant

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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:23 am 
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Hm, well, I suppose everyone gets huffy in his own way.

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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
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Peregrinator wrote:
Tell Fr. it was only business. I always liked him.

Ok I would say it was only inspiration not business


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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:03 pm 
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I am prescribing at this time the Doom treatment

1. Hot Bath
2. Candles
3. Aroma therapy (petchulie is nice) And if you dont have a deep voice maybe a little lavender
4. You will emerge inspired singing Alleluia (thats Hebrew by the way, hope no one is offended, sorry couldnt help myself) :laughhard


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 Post subject: Re: Sacred Languages
PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:39 pm 
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
I'm going to say exactly that. You're too eager to connect dots that don't actually form a pattern.

None of the forms of tau look like a cross; some look like an x. It's not until the letter makes it into Greek that it goes upright.

Not sure why you would say this. Every form of the Hebrew Alphabet has some form of a cross as the last letter, except for modern Hebrew and begining with the ancient Hebrew.

https://www.omniglot.com/writing/paleohebrew.htm


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