Faustina, I broke this out of the Megachurch Parody thread so as to not muddy the waters. (I slay myself with my puns!)


Faustina, make no mistake, God does not owe salvation to anyone. 'Could', 'can', 'hope' do not signify 'must'.

Ignorant does not mean 'innocent'. We are all under Original Sin. Not only that, but Faith does not come from hearing the Gospel. Faith comes from God to begin with. If Faith comes from hearing the Gospel, then everyone hearing the Gospel would have Faith, and we know that is not true. Remember, Faith is a supernatural gift from God. Only God can reveal God. As Scripture tells us “without Faith it is impossible to please God.”

While the Church holds out the hope of salvation, and recognizes that God can save them, do not confuse this with God having an obligation to save them. We are His Creatures to do with as He Wills.

And this is very contradictive of what you have just said. God does give the gift of Faith, yet you have supposed that He would withhold this gift and then save the person whom He has withheld it from. That just plain does not make sense.

It is absurd to assume that someone who has not heard the Gospel and has no Faith in even the existence of God must be saved by God, whereas we who have been given the gift of Faith can only have hope for eternal life.

What has God told us He will actually do?

What can we imagine He will possibly do?

These two are not the same.

We must be careful to distinguish between them.

God can do anything.

That does not mean He does everything.

Really? You presented quite the case that God would automatically save the 'innocent' person who never heard the Gospel. Now if this was not your intention, then I apologize. But I read your post several times and knowing that the Catholic Church does not teach that anyone is automatically saved or that God is obligated to save any of His Creatures, was concerned at the bent of your post. Which is why I broke it out of the Parody thread in order to discuss what you were posting. I also broke it out so to not distract AJ from what was going in that particular thread.

I am not sure what direction you are taking this in, but it doesn't look to be the Catholic one to me.

As I said, you should have asked me what track I was taking. But you didn't. As far as I'm concerned, this thread is over.
And by the way, I'm not a protestant. I would appreciate it if you didn't speak to me like I am.

Fine. If I have insulted you with wanting to understand further by discussing the matter what you have posted and addressing my own concerns concerning the particular language you used, then I apologize.

If you do not wish to enlighten me how I have misinterpreted your posts, that is your prerogative.

Quite frankly I did not see that you were leading AJ down a 'track'. I saw what you wrote as quite explicit.

Enough, Elizabeth. I stated what my intentions are/were. If you can't accept that then I guess you are basically calling me a liar. Now please have the last word and end it.