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Author:  Vern Humphrey [ Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Reform of the Reform?
Peregrinator wrote:
I don't claim anything except that we don't (and can't) know

Just like we can't know the sun will come up tomorrow morning. But if you're a betting man, I'll give you 100 to 1 odds.
Author:  Peregrinator [ Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Reform of the Reform?
Vern Humphrey wrote:
Peregrinator wrote:
I don't claim anything except that we don't (and can't) know

Just like we can't know the sun will come up tomorrow morning. But if you're a betting man, I'll give you 100 to 1 odds.

No, that's not a good analogy. We have zero information about how the Apostles received Holy Communion but lots of precedent for the sun coming up in the morning.
Author:  Vern Humphrey [ Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Reform of the Reform?
Peregrinator wrote:
Vern Humphrey wrote:
Peregrinator wrote:
I don't claim anything except that we don't (and can't) know

Just like we can't know the sun will come up tomorrow morning. But if you're a betting man, I'll give you 100 to 1 odds.

No, that's not a good analogy. We have zero information about how the Apostles received Holy Communion but lots of precedent for the sun coming up in the morning.

We have information the Apostles were eating out of the dish, taking food by hand. We have information that is the normal procedure. We have ZERO information that Jesus changed the procedure.

If we say we don't know how they took the bread, then we can just as easily posit they took it with their toes.
Author:  Peregrinator [ Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Reform of the Reform?
Vern Humphrey wrote:
We have information the Apostles were eating out of the dish, taking food by hand.

Yes, we have information that they were eating before they received Holy Communion.

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We have information that is the normal procedure.

Normal procedure for what? What Our Lord did was without precedent, so there wasn't a "normal procedure" for it -- there was no "procedure" at all!

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If we say we don't know how they took the bread, then we can just as easily posit they took it with their toes.

Yes, that is why we have a constant tradition of the faithful taking Holy Communion in their toes.
Author:  Vern Humphrey [ Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Reform of the Reform?
Peregrinator wrote:
Vern Humphrey wrote:
We have information the Apostles were eating out of the dish, taking food by hand.

Yes, we have information that they were eating before they received Holy Communion.

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We have information that is the normal procedure.

Normal procedure for what? What Our Lord did was without precedent, so there wasn't a "normal procedure" for it -- there was no "procedure" at all!

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If we say we don't know how they took the bread, then we can just as easily posit they took it with their toes.

Yes, that is why we have a constant tradition of the faithful taking Holy Communion in their toes.

And where do we have ANY information that it was done that way when the sacrament of the Eucharist was initiated?
Author:  Peregrinator [ Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Reform of the Reform?
Vern Humphrey wrote:
And where do we have ANY information that it was done that way when the sacrament of the Eucharist was initiated?

We don't have any information about it at all, which is why we can't be certain that the Apostles received Our Lord's Body and Blood in their hands.
Author:  Vern Humphrey [ Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Reform of the Reform?
Peregrinator wrote:
Vern Humphrey wrote:
And where do we have ANY information that it was done that way when the sacrament of the Eucharist was initiated?

We don't have any information about it at all, which is why we can't be certain that the Apostles received Our Lord's Body and Blood in their hands.

And the lack of evidence about a conspiracy to kill Kennedy just proves how good the conspiracy was.
Author:  Peregrinator [ Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Reform of the Reform?
This is silly - I could just as well assert that the Apostles received by mouth and challenge you to prove they did not.
Author:  The young fogey [ Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Reform of the Reform?
High-churching the Novus Ordo is a fine option alongside the traditional Mass. It's déjà vu to us formed by Catholic Anglicanism. We similarly dressed up the Book of Common Prayer in the late 1800s, mimicking normative Roman Catholic practice at the time, which was pretty much the same as medieval Roman Catholic practice: where the ordinariates' Mass comes from.
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