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 Post subject: Re: My biggest hurdle is and always has been... Mary
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Both Eusebius and Hippolytus say she died 11 years after Jesus.

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Both Eusebius and Hippolytus say she died 11 years after Jesus.

If they said she died, they were clearly wrong -- since she was assumed bodily into heaven.


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Both Eusebius and Hippolytus say she died 11 years after Jesus.

If they said she died, they were clearly wrong -- since she was assumed bodily into heaven.

It's the common teaching of the Church that she died.

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 Post subject: Re: My biggest hurdle is and always has been... Mary
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The official declaration of the doctrine is carefully phrased to leave open the possibility that she didn't die, but the vast majority of theologians say that she did.

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I thought Mary was with John some 30 years after The Ressurection.

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Revelation 12, 6:

The woman herself fled into the desert where she had a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of for twelve hundred and sixty days.*

1,260 days is about 3 1/2 years. The man who wrote Revelation was of course, John, to whom Jesus entrusted his mother and the place prepared for her was John's house.

It seems clear to me that the Assumption was in the Fall of 33 AD.


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You are not a heretic for maintaining this, but you are in a very small minority.

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I thought Mary was with John some 30 years after The Ressurection.

She was likely in her late 40s when Our Lord was crucified and died around age 72.

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That sounds right thanks Prodigal


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If she was a teenager of 13 or 14 at Christ's birth, and he was born c. 5 B. C., then she would have been around 60ish at "death".

Another possibility is that she died around the time of the Jerusalem Council around 48 AD, making her around mid to late 60's.

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Good information, Thanks.

The angels were told of Gods plan, to place redemptive flesh in heaven above the angels. Some of the angles disagreed. The universe was created and Flesh as Adam and Eve was given a choice. A fall was man's choice and friendship of the flesh was restored through sacrifice and repentance and firm commitment of amendment and good works and penance. Without flesh the angles souls had no chance at redemption, for without flesh there can be no good works. Flesh was allowed back to heaven through God as Jesus Christ in the sinless flesh by fulfillment of the old covenant. By dying Jesus Christ destroyed death forever, and by rising He returned Redemptive eternal life to the flesh and souls for all mankind in Heaven.

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 Post subject: Re: My biggest hurdle is and always has been... Mary
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Mary knew. Mary accepted what was offered to her. To become the queen of heaven. Approached by an angel and informed completely as to her task, Her reply, “Behold I am the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to Your will.” And Mary said: "My soul doth magnify the Lord. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name. And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him."
As Christs’ mother Mary new more than any human as to Christs divinity and ultimate plan. She had intrinsic revelation. She knew her son and His plan as God. She went home with John after His resurrection. Proof Jesus was an only child, Jewish custom was to give your mother to your best friend. On the cross he spoke to you by name before you were born, "Ecce Mater tua", "behold your mother", At the time of His crucifixion it was John, his beloved “Disciple. Carry on disciple, Now it is our TURN, Take Mary home as John did, listen to Her, pray to Her and ask for guidance from the Queen of Council. The more we listen to Mary, pray to Her and ask Her for guidance, the more The Queen of Martyrs points us first hand directly to the Christ, Jesus her son. This explains why The Gospel of John is so different than the synoptic Gospels. From the first lines the Gospel of John reads, "In the beginning was the Word, the spirit, the Church, and the Word was with God, Jesus Christ in the Eternal flesh, present before anything was ever created was ever created, and the Word was God, The Father, seated with Jesus, face to face. Right here, the trinity before creation. Mary was there with John and gave council as to Jesus' role in a way that only the mother of God could know. He had the answers from Mary, the New Arc of the Covenant, the Queen of Martyrs and God Bearer.

Rev "And there were given to the woman two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the desert unto her place, where she is nourished for a time and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

John 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

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 Post subject: Re: My biggest hurdle is and always has been... Mary
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Peregrinator wrote:
Vern Humphrey wrote:
anawim wrote:
Both Eusebius and Hippolytus say she died 11 years after Jesus.

If they said she died, they were clearly wrong -- since she was assumed bodily into heaven.

It's the common teaching of the Church that she died.

The Church no longer celebrates the Assumption?

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news ... e%20Church.

"In 1950, Pope Pius XII made an infallible, ex-cathedra statement in the Apostolic Constitution Munificentissimus deus officially defining the dogma of the Assumption.

“By the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by our own authority, we pronounce, declare, and define it to be a divinely revealed dogma: that the Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory,” the pope wrote.


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She died and was then assumed into Heaven. That really is the common teaching of the Church.

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One of the things that Eusebius mentions is that she died and was buried, but that Thomas wasn't there. When he arrived, he wanted the stone rolled back so that he could see for himself. When they did, she wasn't there.

I thought that poor boy must have suffered from ADD. He was always missing out on what was going on.

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anawim wrote:
One of the things that Eusebius mentions is that she died and was buried, but that Thomas wasn't there. When he arrived, he wanted the stone rolled back so that he could see for himself. When they did, she wasn't there.

I thought that poor boy must have suffered from ADD. He was always missing out on what was going on.


My "prove it" sensibilities so relate to St Thomas!

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 Post subject: Re: My biggest hurdle is and always has been... Mary
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While there is a possibility she didn't die, but was assumed immediately before death, as I have heard it explained, Mary likely wanted to follow by pious example, Christ her Son. Therefore, she wanted to experience death as He experienced death.

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Here's a passage from St. Sophronius, Patriarch of Jerusalem (+c. 638), as found in Fr. Michael O'Carroll's Theotokos: A Theological Encyclopedia of the Blessed Virgin Mary. O'Carroll prefaces the quotation with this sentence: It is not surprising that S. has been claimed as a defender of the Immaculate Conception; he states it almost in Western terms. Now here is the passage from St. Sophronius:
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Others before you have flourished with outstanding holiness. But to none as to you has the fullness of grace been given. None has been endowed with happiness as you, none adorned with holiness like yours, none brought to such great magnificence as yours; no one was ever possessed beforehand by purifying grace as were you... And this deservedly, for no one came as close to God as you did; no one was enriched with God's gifts as you were; no one shared God's grace as you did (In SS Deip Annunt. 22 PL 87c, 3248) (beforehand italicized in O'Carroll).

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