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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:47 pm 
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Was Melchizedek, Shem?


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 Post subject: Re: Melchizedek
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I know that's a Scott Hahn pet theory, drawn from Rabbinic sources. The old Catholic Encyclopedia, in its article on Melchisedek, claims: "The Rabbins identified Melchisedech with Sem, son of Noah, rather for polemic than historic reasons, since they wished to set themselves against what is said of him as a type of Christ "without father, without mother, without genealogy." I have no easy way of evaluating that claim.

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 Post subject: Re: Melchizedek
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I know that's a Scott Hahn pet theory, drawn from Rabbinic sources. The old Catholic Encyclopedia, in its article on Melchisedek, claims: "The Rabbins identified Melchisedech with Sem, son of Noah, rather for polemic than historic reasons, since they wished to set themselves against what is said of him as a type of Christ "without father, without mother, without genealogy." I have no easy way of evaluating that claim.

Then he must have been an angel.

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 Post subject: Re: Melchizedek
PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:21 pm 
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Some theologians believe it was Christ before his incarnation.

He was a king and priest and wasn’t from the tribe of Levi. Christ is a King and Priest and from the tribe of Judah, not Levi.

There’s more, I just can’t recall all of it right now....

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 Post subject: Re: Melchizedek
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Peetem wrote:
Some theologians believe it was Christ before his incarnation.

He was a king and priest and wasn’t from the tribe of Levi. Christ is a King and Priest and from the tribe of Judah, not Levi.

There’s more, I just can’t recall all of it right now....

This is what I had always heard.

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 Post subject: Re: Melchizedek
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Peetem wrote:
Some theologians believe it was Christ before his incarnation.

He was a king and priest and wasn’t from the tribe of Levi. Christ is a King and Priest and from the tribe of Judah, not Levi.

There’s more, I just can’t recall all of it right now....

This is what I had always heard.


Because he offered bread and wine as a sacrifice, is mentioned in the 110 Psalm (a Messianic Pslam IIRC) and for the afore mentioned reasons, I believe he was Christ before the incarnation.

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 Post subject: Re: Melchizedek
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He was a type of Christ, but he was not literally Christ. It is important not to take the comments in the Epistle to the Hebrews about 'no Geneology etc' too literally.

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 Post subject: Re: Melchizedek
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He was a type of Christ, but he was not literally Christ. It is important not to take the comments in the Epistle to the Hebrews about 'no Geneology etc' too literally.


This is an opinion, and a valid one.

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 Post subject: Re: Melchizedek
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Peetem wrote:
Doom wrote:
He was a type of Christ, but he was not literally Christ. It is important not to take the comments in the Epistle to the Hebrews about 'no Geneology etc' too literally.


This is an opinion, and a valid one.
Not only valid. Correct.

It's pretty clear in Hebrews that this isn't Christ but only a type of Christ. Chapter 7 talks about Melchizedek as an historical person. The Logos didn't Incarnate before Christ. It also states, quite clearly that Christ is a priest "according to the order of Melchizedek" (v.17). Melchizedek is not 'Christ before the incarnation.'

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