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 Post subject: From Feser's endnotes
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The following are some of the books from the endnotes/citations of Feser's The Last Superstition. What do you think of these, which of these are worth reading? To me, the number one criterion is that the book should be easy to understand. Feser was very understandable. And things which are less dry, so to speak. Fewer had good quips here and there. Now, I don't know anything about the following books; they may be too complicated or whatever, which is why I ask here.

G.E.M. Anscombe and P.T. Geach, Three Philosophers: Aristotle, Aquinas, Frege
Jonathan Barnes, Aristotle: A Very Short Introduction
Timothy A. Robinson, Aristotle in Outline
Jonathan Lear, Aristotle: The Desire to Understand
Christopher Shields, Aristotle
David Oderberg’s Real Essentialism
Richard M. Weaver, Ideas Have Consequences
", Vision Of Order
Melling, Understanding Plato
C.C.W. Taylor, Socrates
Julia Annas, Ancient Philosophy: A Very Short Introduction
Plato: A Very Short Introduction
Christopher Shields, Classical Philosophy: A Contemporary Introduction
Régine Pernoud, Those Terrible Middle Ages! Debunking the Myths
James J. Walsh, The Thirteenth: Greatest of Centuries
Garrigou-Lagrange’s Reality: A Synthesis of Thomistic Thought
Maritain’s An Introduction to Philosophy
McInerny’s Characters in Search of Their Author
Wild’s Introduction to Realistic Philosophy
Veatch’s Swimming against the Current in Contemporary Philosophy
Feser, Philosophy of Mind
Conway, The Rediscovery of Wisdom
E.A. Burtt, The Metaphysical Foundations of Modern Physical Science
John Peterson, Introduction to Scholastic Realism
Brian Davies The Reality of God and the Problem of Evil
Smart and Haldane, Atheism and Theism
Mortimer
Adler, Intellect: Mind over Matter
Celestine Bittle, Man and Morals
Austin Fagothey, Right and Reason
Thomas J. Higgins, Man as Man: The Science and Art of Ethics
Craig, Reasonable Faith
William R. Shea and Mariano Artigas, Galileo in Rome: The Rise and Fall of a Troublesome Genius
Etienne Gilson, From Aristotle to Darwin and Back Again: Journey in Final Causality, Species, and Evolution
Andrew Sullivan, The Conservative Mind

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If your criteria is that the book should be easy to understand, then you shouldn't be reading philosophy books. Philosoph books are complex and highly technical they are not generally accessible to non specialists. This is especially true when talking about cutting edge research.

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I found Feser easy to understand.

Which philosophy books in the list are comparatively easier?

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Mortimer Adler. I have this weird feeling I've mentioned him to you before......

Fr. Fagothey's book should be fairly accessible. Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange's Reality is a bit technical in places but not especially difficult. It can be tedious reading, though, I must confess. At a quick look, the other books seem either very difficult or nothing like what you're looking for.

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Most of those are written for a non-technical audience. McInerny and Adler would be good places to start.

Please note that this in no way implies agreement with gherkin.

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I haven't read the McInerny mentioned here. But evidently it's available online: https://maritain.nd.edu/jmc/etext/characters00.html

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It was an assigned text in seminary, which doesn't necessarily mean that I read it at the time.

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McInerny and Adler would be good places to start.

The books mentioned in the op, or do you have other titles by these two in mind?

Characters In Search Of Their Author is thankfully available online.

I already have Adler's How To Read A Book and Barnes' Aristotle: A Very Short Introduction.

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The books themselves. McInerny has written some very technical works. Some of Adler is more difficult to get through than the book Feser gives.

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Can't find Adler's Intellect. There's his 10 mistakes and 6 ideas.

McInerny has a book called A First Glance At Thomas Aquinas: A Handbook For Peeping Thomists. This title looks promising. Feser's Aquinas too.

What do you think of these books, and about Aristotle and How To Read A Book?

Now, all these are for reading eventually. I have some funny and fictional things for now.

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gherkin wrote:
Mortimer Adler. I have this weird feeling I've mentioned him to you before......

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Yes, you've mentioned it previously. I couldn't get it then. I'll ask a friend who's good at hunting free book downloads.

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Jack3 wrote:
Aristotle and How To Read A Book?
If you're talking about Barnes on Aristotle, I don't think I've seen it but do remember that Aristotle scholarship is a disaster. I doubt you'll hurt anything by reading such a book, but I also doubt you'll gain much. Adler's book on Aristotle, on the other hand, is very helpful. Same with his Mistakes and Ideas. Feser's also pretty great at making things relatively understandable.

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Jack3 wrote:
Aristotle and How To Read A Book?
If you're talking about Barnes on Aristotle, I don't think I've seen it but do remember that Aristotle scholarship is a disaster. I doubt you'll hurt anything by reading such a book, but I also doubt you'll gain much. Adler's book on Aristotle, on the other hand, is very helpful. Same with his Mistakes and Ideas. Feser's also pretty great at making things relatively understandable.

Thank you. What specifically do you mean is a disaster?

And the second book is named that... "How To Read A Book", by Adler. I don't have Adler on Aristotle.

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Aristotle scholarship dwells interminably on minutia, and no Aristotle scholar agrees with the next regarding whatever the issue may be.

How to Read a Book is fine, but it's not a philosophy book.

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Jack3 wrote:
I found Feser easy to understand.



Feser's books are intentionally dumbed down for a general audience, they aren't 'real' philosophy books.

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I disagree with Doom :cloud9:

Anyone who wants can grasp some general and important principles of philosophy. In fact, I would argue that most of what is wrong with modern society comes from a failure to do this by people who are eminently capable of doing so.

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about Barnes on Aristotle, I don't think I've seen it but do remember that Aristotle scholarship is a disaster. I doubt you'll hurt anything by reading such a book, but I also doubt you'll gain much.

Feser listed it as one of the "useful brief introductions to Aristotle's thought". My hunter friend will look for Adler.

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. In fact, I would argue that most of what is wrong with modern society comes from a failure to do this by people who are eminently capable of doing so.

Feser makes a similar point: that the abandonment of Aristotle is what eventually led to abortion, homosexuality, drugs, loss of sense of God, the so-called traditional problems of philosophy, and the totalitarian ideologies of the last century.

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You will be stunned to learn that I agree with him completely. It requires very deep bad philosophy to persuade yourself that an unborn child isn't human and that there is no real difference between men and women.

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gherkin wrote:
Mortimer Adler. I have this weird feeling I've mentioned him to you before......

Fr. Fagothey's book should be fairly accessible. Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange's Reality is a bit technical in places but not especially difficult. It can be tedious reading, though, I must confess. At a quick look, the other books seem either very difficult or nothing like what you're looking for.


Fr. Fagothey's Right and Reason is excellent and easy to read. My only caution would be to get older editions of it. Newer ones are updated by Milton Gonsalves and his updates have been called into serious question. The original editions that were done by Fr. Fagothey alone are, in my opinion, much clearer in their presentation and come without controversy.

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