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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:06 pm 
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I think I understand your point. And, if I understand it, I generally agree with it.

In general, in modernity, I don't think interpretation of data is the entire issue. Rather, it is the repudiation of and/or ignoring data that is the issue. Coupled with the invention of data based upon the needs of the interpreter/inventor. In short, it is the perversion of the scientific method by political and ideological "scientists". IMHO, that is.

Whether my opinion or yours can be applied to the cosmological model, as I understand it, it debatable. I suppose that I hold to it as an adequate working hypothesis ... given several recent problems it has with newly revealed information.

Let's let is rest there.

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I think I understand your point. And, if I understand it, I generally agree with it.

In general, in modernity, I don't think interpretation of data is the entire issue. Rather, it is the repudiation of and/or ignoring data that is the issue. Coupled with the invention of data based upon the needs of the interpreter/inventor. In short, it is the perversion of the scientific method by political and ideological "scientists". IMHO, that is.

Whether my opinion or yours can be applied to the cosmological model, as I understand it, it debatable. I suppose that I hold to it as an adequate working hypothesis ... given several recent problems it has with newly revealed information.

Let's let is rest there.


Ok. You can stop if you want. I, however, must convert the rest of the world.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:21 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Trial of Galileo
PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:47 pm 
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Convert away, my good man! Convert away!


Thank you! I am always in need of prayers. The hardest people to convert are my fellow Catholics who are convinced the cosmological principle is an established scientific fact. Very sad, if only because once that principle is removed a universe conforming to divine revelation appears. So, you can see why I think that principle is from the devil herself[<--pax being politically correct].

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Not to mention his satirical writings that made his one time friend, and current pope, look the complete ass. He made the pope his enemy, and I think that had a lot to do with it.

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Not to mention his satirical writings that made his one time friend, and current pope, look the complete ass. He made the pope his enemy, and I think that had a lot to do with it.


Can the Church proclaim his doctrine that the earth goes around the sun to be contrary to the Catholic Faith on the wounded ego of a reigning pope? I do not believe that is possible. The words of the Council of Trent were still ringing in their ears, especially the teaching that no one could interpret Scripture contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers, and the Fathers were unanimous that the earth was fixed and immobile. On the other hand, the pope did allow without hesistation that Galileo could teach Copernicism as an hypothesis on the grounds that it was a better tool for the mathematicians to use. The only restriction placed upon him was that he could not teach it as a fact, which he did, and which got him placed under house arrest in a palatial mansion, and from which he could journey whither he willed, for the rest of his life. I think they even voted him a stipend for the rest of his life. No wonder those churchmen are so decried for their cruelty! Oh! That someone would be so cruel to me!

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Servant of Guadalupe wrote:
Not to mention his satirical writings that made his one time friend, and current pope, look the complete ass. He made the pope his enemy, and I think that had a lot to do with it.


Can the Church proclaim his doctrine that the earth goes around the sun to be contrary to the Catholic Faith on the wounded ego of a reigning pope? I do not believe that is possible. The words of the Council of Trent were still ringing in their ears, especially the teaching that no one could interpret Scripture contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers, and the Fathers were unanimous that the earth was fixed and immobile. On the other hand, the pope did allow without hesistation that Galileo could teach Copernicism as an hypothesis on the grounds that it was a better tool for the mathematicians to use. The only restriction placed upon him was that he could not teach it as a fact, which he did, and which got him placed under house arrest in a palatial mansion, and from which he could journey whither he willed, for the rest of his life. I think they even voted him a stipend for the rest of his life. No wonder those churchmen are so decried for their cruelty! Oh! That someone would be so cruel to me!

This is not faith or morals...

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Servant of Guadalupe wrote:
pax wrote:
Servant of Guadalupe wrote:
Not to mention his satirical writings that made his one time friend, and current pope, look the complete ass. He made the pope his enemy, and I think that had a lot to do with it.


Can the Church proclaim his doctrine that the earth goes around the sun to be contrary to the Catholic Faith on the wounded ego of a reigning pope? I do not believe that is possible. The words of the Council of Trent were still ringing in their ears, especially the teaching that no one could interpret Scripture contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers, and the Fathers were unanimous that the earth was fixed and immobile. On the other hand, the pope did allow without hesistation that Galileo could teach Copernicism as an hypothesis on the grounds that it was a better tool for the mathematicians to use. The only restriction placed upon him was that he could not teach it as a fact, which he did, and which got him placed under house arrest in a palatial mansion, and from which he could journey whither he willed, for the rest of his life. I think they even voted him a stipend for the rest of his life. No wonder those churchmen are so decried for their cruelty! Oh! That someone would be so cruel to me!

This is not faith or morals...

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There are times when I think that Pax is an unintentional parody of traditionalist Catholics....some of the claims that he is willing to claim are 'official teaching' of the Church.....

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There are times when I think that Pax is an unintentional parody of traditionalist Catholics....some of the claims that he is willing to claim are 'official teaching' of the Church.....


There are times when I see just how deeply Modernism has penetrated into the Church, and the lengths to which people will go to uphold error.

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Galileo was ordered to turn himself in to the Holy Office to begin trial for holding the belief that the Earth revolves around the sun, which was deemed heretical by the Catholic Church. Standard practice demanded that the accused be imprisoned and secluded during the trial.
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Welcome to the forum, but I would be quite remiss if I didn't point out that you are simply wrong about what got Gallileo into trouble with the Church. Nothing that Gallileo said regarding the science ran against the teachings of the Church. His insistence that the Church issue an official interpretation of the scriptures that supported his view is what got him in to trouble.

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Welcome to the forum, but I would be quite remiss if I didn't point out that you are simply wrong about what got Gallileo into trouble with the Church. Nothing that Gallileo said regarding the science ran against the teachings of the Church. His insistence that the Church issue an official interpretation of the scriptures that supported his view is what got him in to trouble.

That plus lampooning the current Pope Urban VIII as "Simplico." If he'd tried that with Henry VIII, he'd have been beheaded.


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I guess I could have just said see previous 4 pages for details. :)

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How do newbies come up with these ancient threads? And why do they choose ancient discussions to respond to?


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How do newbies come up with these ancient threads? And why do they choose ancient discussions to respond to?

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I blame gherkin. Maybe this wouldn’t happen if he were banned. It’s gotta be worth a try, right?

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I blame gherkin. Maybe this wouldn’t happen if he were banned. It’s gotta be worth a try, right?


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