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 Post subject: Non-Catholic Miracles
PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 10:09 am 
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Can God perform a miracle even if it may not lead the person to true faith?

Perhaps it's for others to get closer to Him?

Say for example miracles that happen in Eastern Orthdox?

Or something more far part like a pagan religion?

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 Post subject: Re: Non-Catholic Miracles
PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:31 pm 
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Dominic wrote:
Can God perform a miracle even if it may not lead the person to true faith?

Certainly. Consider the Miracle of the Loaves and Fishes. Did everyone who partook of that meal become a Christian? Probably not.


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 Post subject: Re: Non-Catholic Miracles
PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:09 pm 
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"Can God perform a miracle even if it may not lead the person to true faith?"

Yes He can, and He knows when and why to do so.

I have many DVDs on lives of the saints, and I have one called "The Cokeville Miracle" It is based on a true story. The Christians involved were not Catholics. This is what it says on the cover of the DVD under the title:

136 children, 18 teachers, 2 terrorists, 1 bomb,....we need a miracle. It happened in 1986 in Cokeville WY.

It truly was a most unusual miracle!


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 Post subject: Re: Non-Catholic Miracles
PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:41 pm 
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Dominic wrote:
Can God perform a miracle even if it may not lead the person to true faith?

Perhaps it's for others to get closer to Him?

Say for example miracles that happen in Eastern Orthdox?

Or something more far part like a pagan religion?

I would argue that the Orthodox churches had the true Faith, and that after the lifting of excommunications that we are now one Church, but that it hasn’t “sunk in” yet. I believe that the reunification has essentially occurred.

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 Post subject: Re: Non-Catholic Miracles
PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:58 am 
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Servant of Guadalupe wrote:
I would argue that the Orthodox churches had the true Faith, and that after the lifting of excommunications that we are now one Church, but that it hasn’t “sunk in” yet. I believe that the reunification has essentially occurred.


We've got a ways to go and I don't think we are united in any real sense of the term.

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 Post subject: Re: Non-Catholic Miracles
PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:49 pm 
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Servant of Guadalupe wrote:
Dominic wrote:
Can God perform a miracle even if it may not lead the person to true faith?

Perhaps it's for others to get closer to Him?

Say for example miracles that happen in Eastern Orthdox?

Or something more far part like a pagan religion?

I would argue that the Orthodox churches had the true Faith, and that after the lifting of excommunications that we are now one Church, but that it hasn’t “sunk in” yet. I believe that the reunification has essentially occurred.

This answer assumes that the cause of the schism were the mutual excommunications of 1054 and that the schism can be traced to that specific date. This is a gross oversimplification

1054 is not a significant date, the excommunication referred only to the two specific people involved, and the incident was completely forgotten for centuries until researchers dug it up in the 19th century and started to claim that it all came down to that date. But that was clearly nonsense.

Actual, knowledgeable historians generally date the final rupture between East and West much later, some not until as late the 18th century. But even of we don't place it quite that late, it is clear that while relations were strained East and West were still in some kind of communion at least until the fall Iof Constantinople in 1453, because they kept appealing to the West for military aid against the Ottoman Turks. And in fact, the idea of a crusade to liberate Constantinople from the Turks continued to animate the minds of delusional idealists until the Council of Trent.

As for the causes, well...they are complex and involve differences of culture, political systems, language and the difficulties involved in long distance communication before the modern era of mass communication.

Over time, East and West evolved in different directions, I'm time, it became difficult to even have a conversation because East and West were no longer even speaking the same theological language. It would be nice if it could all be traced to some silly misunderstanding I'm the year 1054, but life is just not that cut and dried.

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