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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:31 pm 
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I've been a practicing Catholic for almost 10 years now, and I usually love confession, but, sometimes i just don't understand it, and it seems pointless.

In order for confession to be valid, we have to be sorry for the sin(s) and be resolved to 'sin no more'. But then, inevitably, I go out and forget my resolution and fall into it again and again and again.

I know confession is a sacrament, and we are supposed to receive grace from it. This is prolly a silly question, but, what is the point of going to confession, and receiving those graces, if we can't 'tap into' that grace? When we're all going to go back and fall into sin again anyway? Why doesn't it get easier to avoid sin in the future? What prevents us from responding to that grace?


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Wow...what a great question!!! I have been thinking about that for soem time. I am trying to break a certain sin that i am having trouble with, & I keep falling back into it.

I think your question has to do more with human nature, and how we take advantage of Gods grace. The failure is all on our end. You see we only get the amount of grace that we are open for. Fr. Corapi in his presentation regarding spiritual combat talks alot about this. If we are open to just a little grace then we only get a little help...maybe not enough help to break us of our sins......

The question is how do we get more grace? How do we prepare ourselves to get more grace? My guess would be prayer and penance....if anyone know of a better answer I would like to hear it....

Hope this helps....

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Yes, it does help, thank you. What you say (or Fr Corapi said) makes sense. I had a similar mini-revelation about this a little while ago. I realized that, perhaps God isn't giving me the miracle quantity of grace it would require for me to overcome some of my habits :roll: b/c He knows I would abuse it in the long run.

Hmmmm...but do we abuse grace? Or do we ignore it? Is it coming to us when we ask, and through the sacraments, and somehow we just don't know how to 'tap into' it? I often hear it said, that we are given the graces we need, but we don't respond to them. I imagine that to be like ignoring it. Or is it, as you said, something we have to prepare ourselves for? That certainly makes sense.

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Vigilance is the key. Stay awake and keep yourself open to grace, become humble and allow grace to find it's way to you. I have seen in myself an emotion, in this case anger, seem to rise untrollably up withing me, to realize halfway though that i'm not really angry and i'm trying to make a point or put on a show by seeming to be angry, and i've seen other people do it to, for example, my principle. A lot of this bad stuff, if you look right, can be seen right though and recognize it for what it is, illusions given by the adversary.

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So...when you are tempted and you say a prayer for help, you are tapping into the grace you have received. At least, that's how I see it. If you don't ask for help and fall, you are not accepting the grace. Just my humble opinion.
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Is it really neccessary to ask for something that has already been freely given to you. Prayer and or meditation can only help you to formulate your thoughts and to be more open to the influence of grace. In the end though, it's really more of an attitude of being open to God, of listning to christ within you, than it is an attitude of begging for strength or discipline.

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A priest once told me that in order to break certain sins, besides first and foremost having the graces, is to start to examine when they happen and what are the circumstances surrounding this sin before it happens?

For ex: Does this particular sin happen at night? (like most sins)
Does it happen when you are tired?
Does it happen after getting home from a long days work?
Does it happen when you are around many people?
Does it happen when you are around a certain someone?
Does it happen when you are on the computer?
Does it happen when you are driving?


He said to find out when they normally take place; what leads up to it, and used that to fight it, because if you can figure these things out, you know exactly what to avoid...and you know exactly "when" to be completely on gaurd against this sin...in other words, you turn on the ALERT BUTTON, pray briefly, and bring out the armor for battle

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Very good responses. Thank you! :D

They all make sense. My prayer life has been lousy lately too, so, I'm sure that has something to do with it. Of course, even when it's good, I still struggle with the same things over and over, but, admittedly, I do ofen catch myself doing it, and there is a decision that could be made right then and there.

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JoyToBeCatholic wrote:
In order for confession to be valid, we have to be sorry for the sin(s) and be resolved to 'sin no more'. But then, inevitably, I go out and forget my resolution and fall into it again and again and again.


Just a side note: A while back I was wondering about this too, and I asked some fellow Catholics about it. Is it true repentance if you know that you're inevitably going to fall again? What if it's a sin that you're particularly attached to? It brings to mind St. Augustine's prayer for the Lord to remove his lustfulness... but not quite yet. :P

I was told that we can present such a sin during confession as something that we have an ongoing struggle with. The intention to break free from that particular sin is there--you're simply acknowledging your human nature and tendency to fall back into sin.


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