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 Post subject: Re: A beautiful song
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Frankly, my musical tradition and the one of this song are very, very different. So, I found it hard to consider it beautiful.

However, since you do ... consider it so, I watched it again. I first noted that the visuals are quite lovely. Then, as I paired the visuals with the song, I found that it grew on me. I began to hear the melody. And, by the end of the second hearing, I would agree that it evokes a pleasant reaction. And that it is enjoyable. I liked it.

Further reflection makes me wonder how my favorite songs would be heard by those with quite different musical traditions. Some, I have no doubt, would not be well received. For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QGMCSCFoKA


Thank you for sharing it.

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 Post subject: Re: A beautiful song
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYQseeZGvl8


You are a romantic at heart, you must make your mamma smile :)

Would you give an interpretation of the lyrics?

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 Post subject: Re: A beautiful song
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Highlander wrote:
Frankly, my musical tradition and the one of this song are very, very different. So, I found it hard to consider it beautiful.

However, since you do ... consider it so, I watched it again. I first noted that the visuals are quite lovely. Then, as I paired the visuals with the song, I found that it grew on me. I began to hear the melody. And, by the end of the second hearing, I would agree that it evokes a pleasant reaction. And that it is enjoyable. I liked it.

Further reflection makes me wonder how my favorite songs would be heard by those with quite different musical traditions. Some, I have no doubt, would not be well received. For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QGMCSCFoKA


Thank you for sharing it.


I think it was this documentary (I watch so many documentaries that the names escape me) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4680116/ that moved me so much. At the end, the love that he has for his fans moved me to tears.

He is someone I would love to meet (no pun intended).

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 Post subject: Re: A beautiful song
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kage_ar wrote:
Jack3 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYQseeZGvl8


You are a romantic at heart, you must make your mamma smile :)

:)


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Would you give an interpretation of the lyrics?

The lyrics are penned by Vayalar Sharath Chandra Varma, son of the legendary Vayalar Rama Varma.

My translation attempt follows; I am unable to carry the literary beauty to a foreign language though.

Blue-eyed deer,
you are for me
Blue-eyed deer,
I am a pair-bird for you
You are the pair-bird for me,
in the journey forward
We are a bridge that joins two lands
We are one forever
There is nothing between us
Only the thought "we"

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 Post subject: Re: A beautiful song
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:02 pm 
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Some other songs I like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQOuQvUYqF4 (with translation) / https://youtu.be/DCwnvQIf054 (with visuals)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC72zB8Tzcc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMj4ThF5GJE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsJkhu8K1gs

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 Post subject: Re: A beautiful song
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Highlander wrote:
Frankly, my musical tradition and the one of this song are very, very different. So, I found it hard to consider it beautiful.

However, since you do ... consider it so, I watched it again. I first noted that the visuals are quite lovely. Then, as I paired the visuals with the song, I found that it grew on me. I began to hear the melody. And, by the end of the second hearing, I would agree that it evokes a pleasant reaction. And that it is enjoyable. I liked it...

Thank you for sharing it.

:)

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Further reflection makes me wonder how my favorite songs would be heard by those with quite different musical traditions. Some, I have no doubt, would not be well received. For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QGMCSCFoKA

You are right in thinking that some of your favorite songs will not be well-received by those of a different musical tradition. Frankly speaking and with all due respect, when the song began, I thought it was more like speaking than singing. Then it was more like growling than singing and then wailing than singing and after that panting than singing. I've heard it only once though :wink: Let me hear it again.

FWIW this is an English song that I do like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdc3RdXoFwA

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 Post subject: Re: A beautiful song
PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:45 am 
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Jack3 wrote:
...You are right in thinking that some of your favorite songs will not be well-received by those of a different musical tradition. Frankly speaking and with all due respect, when the song began, I thought it was more like speaking than singing. Then it was more like growling than singing and then wailing than singing and after that panting than singing. I've heard it only once though :wink: Let me hear it again.

FWIW this is an English song that I do like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdc3RdXoFwA

Nice song.

And I get it and I take no offense. Much of the appeal, in really solid rock n' roll, is exactly what you pointed out. Overflowing and powerful emotion trumps all. I thought your reaction might range from horror to disgust.

And there are similar traditions to mine, but not hard rock, i.e.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-jwKmHMh-o

A little dramatic in my tradition, but I really like it.

And very dated, and in a different style, I find this beautiful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmactMIhrRM

The voices have it here.

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 Post subject: Re: A beautiful song
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:34 am 
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Highlander wrote:
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...You are right in thinking that some of your favorite songs will not be well-received by those of a different musical tradition. Frankly speaking and with all due respect, when the song began, I thought it was more like speaking than singing. Then it was more like growling than singing and then wailing than singing and after that panting than singing. I've heard it only once though :wink: Let me hear it again.

FWIW this is an English song that I do like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdc3RdXoFwA

Nice song.

And I get it and I take no offense. Much of the appeal, in really solid rock n' roll, is exactly what you pointed out. Overflowing and powerful emotion trumps all. I thought your reaction might range from horror to disgust.

And there are similar traditions to mine, but not hard rock, i.e.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-jwKmHMh-o

A little dramatic in my tradition, but I really like it.

And very dated, and in a different style, I find this beautiful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmactMIhrRM

The voices have it here.


The two songs you linked to above are rather pleasant; they are "singing singing".

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 Post subject: Re: A beautiful song
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kage_ar wrote:
Jack3 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYQseeZGvl8


You are a romantic at heart, you must make your mamma smile :)

It dawned on me that you are a trained singer and/or come from a family of musicians, so I'll put this once more: :)

I am very deeply attached to my mother, she is very, very sweet :cloud9:

The following are among the lullabies my mother would sing to me when I was younger:
https://youtu.be/OuIl97tounQ?t=25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VyZoJAe9B0

:cloud9: :cloud9: :cloud9:

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 Post subject: Re: A beautiful song
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I have a standard baby gift I give to young couples. It is a collection by Linda Ronstadt in which she takes various songs and recasts them as lullabies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJlpSSEXDkk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o1U3xiobHQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrRKsWw46OA&t=0s&list=PLgkKIca7IzYkUt7hxG42liOX9XA_jE0uV&index=3

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 Post subject: Re: A beautiful song
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Highlander wrote:
Frankly, my musical tradition and the one of this song are very, very different. So, I found it hard to consider it beautiful.

However, since you do ... consider it so, I watched it again. I first noted that the visuals are quite lovely. Then, as I paired the visuals with the song, I found that it grew on me. I began to hear the melody. And, by the end of the second hearing, I would agree that it evokes a pleasant reaction. And that it is enjoyable. I liked it.

Further reflection makes me wonder how my favorite songs would be heard by those with quite different musical traditions. Some, I have no doubt, would not be well received. For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QGMCSCFoKA


Thank you for sharing it.


Would you refer to 'Bat out of hell' as beautiful though?

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 Post subject: Re: A beautiful song
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Yes.

Different genre, different presentation, different musical tradition. But beautiful. A great thing about music is that it can be appreciated in many forms and traditions and eras; it is not exclusive to any one nexus.

I love and can listen to, for hours, for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-dzfI3L5ic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2n3I97dOSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRonG87eKw

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Highlander wrote:
Yes.

Different genre, different presentation, different musical tradition. But beautiful. A great thing about music is that it can be appreciated in many forms and traditions and eras; it is not exclusive to any one nexus.

I love and can listen to, for hours, for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-dzfI3L5ic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2n3I97dOSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRonG87eKw


Of course, you may consider it beautiful, but I wonder if you misunderstood me still, . But you can appreciate and enjoy a song without thinking it beautiful. I like Thin Lizzy's Whiskey in the Jar. I appreciate and enjoy it. I would not in a million years call it beautiful.

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Here, I dare you to listen to this from beginning to end without crying


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW9Cu6GYqxo

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Highlander wrote:
Yes.

Different genre, different presentation, different musical tradition. But beautiful. A great thing about music is that it can be appreciated in many forms and traditions and eras; it is not exclusive to any one nexus.


I would not describe 'Bat Out of Hell' as beautiful, any more than I would describe AC/DC as beautiful. However, if you want an example of a Meatloaf that I think is beautiful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGT1AcMRV9w

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 Post subject: Re: A beautiful song
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Highlander wrote:
Yes.

Different genre, different presentation, different musical tradition. But beautiful. A great thing about music is that it can be appreciated in many forms and traditions and eras; it is not exclusive to any one nexus.

I love and can listen to, for hours, for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-dzfI3L5ic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2n3I97dOSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRonG87eKw


You have unexpected dimensions.

I think I recall you mentioning BOOH, many many years ago.

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I think I recall you mentioning BOOH, many many years ago.


Well, it is a very old album, released before some of the people on this board, including Jack3, were even born

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I think I recall you mentioning BOOH, many many years ago.


Well, it is a very old album, released before some of the people on this board, including Jack3, were even born


Highlander and I are also very old.

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Highlander and I are also very old.


But not very, very old I don't think.

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