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This bothers me. I have no idea how I'd put together such a list. Would I pick comfortable familiar works? Or things I've been wanting to read for a long time? One example: I have Lonergan's Insight on my shelf to read. It's been on my to-do list for....oh, say ten years. I'll get to it someday. Should I put it on my desert island list so I can definitely find time to read it? What if I don't like it? What a waste. Or, say, Pickwick Papers. I've read it twice. I love it. I'd lean towards putting it on my list. But is it going to hold up to multiple readings over many years, like, say LOTR? I don't know.

This is bothering me. :fyi:

I don't like Pearce's breakdown, partly because I don't get poetry, and don't really have ten poems to put on my list.

I start with 3 books that don't need a category.

1. An RSV Bible.

2. The Summa Theologia
3. LOTR

Fiction:

1. Brideshead Revisited
2. David Copperfield
3. Pickwick???????????
4. The Brothers Karamazov
5. A Good Man is Hard to Find
6. Everything that Rises must Converge
7. The Man Who Was Thursday
8. Crime and Punishment
9. The Plague??????????????
10. The Hobbit??????????????

Nonfiction

1-3 The Collected works of Abbott Vonier (3 volumes)
4-6 The One God, Christ the Savior, and The Trinity by Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange
7 The Autobiography of GKC
8 St. Thomas Aquinas by GKC???????????? I love this book...but do I need it on a desert island???????????????
9 Everlasting Man by GKC
10 Orthodoxy by GKC

Great Books

1. The Republic
2. The Divine Comedy
3. Nicomachean Ethics
4. King Lear
5. Hamlet
6. As You Like It
7. Midsummer Night's Dream
8. Odyssey
9. Illiad
10. The Golden Legend

Technical books

1. The Unity of Philosophical Experience by Gilson
2. Being and Some Philosophers by Gilson
3. The Christian Philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas by Gilson
4. The Spirit of Medieval Philosophy by Gilson
5. The Degrees of Knowledge by Maritain
6. St. Thomas Aquinas's Commentary of Job
7. St. Thomas's Commentary on the Nicomachean Ethics
8. St. Thomas's Commentary on De Anima
9. St. Thomas's De Potentia Dei
10. St. Thomas's SCG

The last two are clear cheats, since they're kinda multi-volume works, but I don't care. :fyi:

OK, I feel a little better now. :fyi:

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 Post subject: Re: Desert island books...Pearce
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http://www.ncregister.com/blog/josephpearce/heres-my-desert-island-reading-list-whats-yours

This bothers me. I have no idea how I'd put together such a list. Would I pick comfortable familiar works? Or things I've been wanting to read for a long time? One example: I have Lonergan's Insight on my shelf to read. It's been on my to-do list for....oh, say ten years. I'll get to it someday. Should I put it on my desert island list so I can definitely find time to read it? What if I don't like it? What a waste. Or, say, Pickwick Papers. I've read it twice. I love it. I'd lean towards putting it on my list. But is it going to hold up to multiple readings over many years, like, say LOTR? I don't know.

This is bothering me. :fyi:

I don't like Pearce's breakdown, partly because I don't get poetry, and don't really have ten poems to put on my list.

I start with 3 books that don't need a category.

1. An RSV Bible.

2. The Summa Theologia
3. LOTR

Fiction:

1. Brideshead Revisited
2. David Copperfield
3. Pickwick???????????
4. The Brothers Karamazov
5. A Good Man is Hard to Find
6. Everything that Rises must Converge
7. The Man Who Was Thursday
8. Crime and Punishment
9. The Plague??????????????
10. The Hobbit??????????????

Nonfiction

1-3 The Collected works of Abbott Vonier (3 volumes)
4-6 The One God, Christ the Savior, and The Trinity by Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange
7 The Autobiography of GKC
8 St. Thomas Aquinas by GKC???????????? I love this book...but do I need it on a desert island???????????????
9 Everlasting Man by GKC
10 Orthodoxy by GKC

Great Books

1. The Republic
2. The Divine Comedy
3. Nicomachean Ethics
4. King Lear
5. Hamlet
6. As You Like It
7. Midsummer Night's Dream
8. Odyssey
9. Illiad
10. The Golden Legend

Technical books

1. The Unity of Philosophical Experience by Gilson
2. Being and Some Philosophers by Gilson
3. The Christian Philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas by Gilson
4. The Spirit of Medieval Philosophy by Gilson
5. The Degrees of Knowledge by Maritain
6. St. Thomas Aquinas's Commentary of Job
7. St. Thomas's Commentary on the Nicomachean Ethics
8. St. Thomas's Commentary on De Anima
9. St. Thomas's De Potentia Dei
10. St. Thomas's SCG

The last two are clear cheats, since they're kinda multi-volume works, but I don't care. :fyi:

OK, I feel a little better now. :fyi:


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 Post subject: Re: Desert island books...Pearce
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TMWWT?

In the hope you could finally unlock it?

:soap: :soap: :soap: :soap:

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 Post subject: Re: Desert island books...Pearce
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TMWWT?

In the hope you could finally unlock it?

:soap: :soap: :soap: :soap:

Well-played, GKC. Well-played.

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 Post subject: Re: Desert island books...Pearce
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Is nobody else bothered enough by the question to spend twenty minutes typing out a long list of books that GKC will then read in order to find some way to mock? :scratch:

I wanted to include the Napoleon of Notting Hill, which is my favorite Chesterton novel, but I dunno how well it would hold up to frequent reading. I've probably read it four or five times, and I still enjoy going back to it every coupla years. But.....how much longer? Thursday, I suspect, would hold up better. Maybe. Plus, I can always turn it into an allegory (hah! allegory!) and play matching games with it. :fyi:

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gherkin wrote:
Is nobody else bothered enough by the question to spend twenty minutes typing out a long list of books that GKC will then read in order to find some way to mock? :scratch:

I wanted to include the Napoleon of Notting Hill, which is my favorite Chesterton novel, but I dunno how well it would hold up to frequent reading. I've probably read it four or five times, and I still enjoy going back to it every coupla years. But.....how much longer? Thursday, I suspect, would hold up better. Maybe. Plus, I can always turn it into an allegory (hah! allegory!) and play matching games with it. :fyi:



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 Post subject: Re: Desert island books...Pearce
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I couldn't answer that in 20 minutes.

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 Post subject: Re: Desert island books...Pearce
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I did dwell on it over the course of several hours, since I was supposed to be working on something else (and productive). But actually writing up the post didn't take me any more than 20 minutes, I'd bet a dollar. So maybe if you dwell on it for several hours, you could answer it in 20 minutes, too. :fyi:

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 Post subject: Re: Desert island books...Pearce
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Trying to fit into his categories, I would take the following:

TEN GREAT BOOKS:

(1) The Bible (either the Douay, the Knox, or the RSV)
(2) St. Thomas's Summa Theologiae
(3) St. Thomas's Commentary on the Gospel of John
(4) St. Augustine's Confessions
(5) St. Augustine's City of God
(6) Aristotle's Metaphysics
(7) Aristotle's De Anima
(8) Aristotle's Nichomachean Ethics
(9) Aristotle's Politics
(10) Euclid's Elements (so I have some math to read, you know...)

TEN POEMS:

(1) Dante's Divine Comedy (the Esolen translation)
(2) Longfellow's Evangeline
(3) Homer's Odyssey
(4) Homer's Iliad
(5) Beowulf (I would like to cheat and make this Tolkien's prose translation, but if it has to be poetic, I'll take either Burton Raffel's or Seamus Heaney's - although if it would be cheating for me, then it's cheating for Pearce too)
(6) Chesterton's The Ballad of the White Horse
(7) Eliot's The Waste Land
(8) Eliot's Four Quartets
(9) Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales
(10) St. Thomas's "Adoro Te Devote"


TEN NOVELS:

(1) Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings
(2) Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov
(3) Michael D. O'Brien's The Father's Tale
(4) Michael D. O'Brien's Sophia House
(5) C. S. Lewis's Space Trilogy (I don't think this is cheating, but if it is then count all three and delete the bottom two off this part of the list)
(6) C. S. Lewis's Till We Have Faces
(7) C. S. Lewis's The Chronicles of Narnia (I'm going to have to insist that this counts as one book, otherwise I'm not going to be able to do this)
(8) Anne Bronte's The Tenant of Wildfell Hall
(9) Orson Scott Card's Ender's Game
(10) Charlotte Bronte's Jane Eyre

TEN PLAYS:

(1) Eliot's Murder in the Cathedral
(2) Shakespeare's Hamlet
(3) Shakespeare's Macbeth
(4) Shakespeare's Othello
(5) Shakespeare's King Lear
(6) Shakespeare's Twelfth Night
(7) Bolt's A Man for All Seasons
(8) Sophocles's Antigone
(9) Sophocles's Oedipus Rex
(10) Sophocles's Oedipus at Colonus

TEN WORKS OF NONFICTION:

(1) Fr. Gilles Emery's The Trinitarian Theology of St. Thomas Aquinas
(2) St. Bonaventure's Itinerarium Mentis ad Deum
(3) St. Alphonsus's The Glories of Mary
(4) St. Louis de Montfort's True Devotion to Mary
(5) The 1962 Roman Breviary
(6) The 1962 Roman Missal
(7) Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange's The Mother of the Saviour and Our Interior Life
(8) Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange's Providence
(9) Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange's The Three Ages of the Interior Life
(10) Fr. Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange's The One God

This was really hard...

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 Post subject: Re: Desert island books...Pearce
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This was really hard...

But good for you. :fyi:

I couldn't do his categories...or, rather, I could have, but it wasn't as fun. I just made some up that were a bit better reflection of my reading life.

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The only book I would want on a desert island is 'How to Escape from a Desert Island'

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The only book I would want on a desert island is 'How to Escape from a Desert Island'



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Doom wrote:
The only book I would want on a desert island is 'How to Escape from a Desert Island'


Reminds one of what Cyril Clemen's reported Chesterton replied to him, when Clemens asked what one book he would take to a desert island (this is usually presented as Chesterton's choice. He said, paraphrased, that everyone not trying sound profound would take Thomas' GUIDE TO PRACTICAL SHIPBUILDING, "so that they could get away from the island as quickly as possible". Second choice would be for the most exciting detective story within reach. Chesterton's own choice was PICKWICK PAPERS.

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Mentioned in the linked article, of course. :fyi:

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Mentioned in the linked article, of course. :fyi:


Which I hadn't read, but given who the author was, I assumed it would be. But Pearce, as is the case almost inevitably, gives it as being Chesterton's personal, jocular, choice, which Clemens, who is the only source I know of, doesn't directly quote him as saying. Rather, the joke is that it would be the honest choice of anyone who was not posturing on the question. "In that case, I feel certain that everyone would take Thomas' GUIDE TO PRACTICAL SHIPBUILDING".

It's a popular Chesterton quote, but sort of a limping one, as usually given.

Still, all Chesterton quotes are worth noting.

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Chesterton didn't say everything he said. :fyi:

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Chesterton didn't say everything he said. :fyi:



True. Our curate reported to me a Chesterton quote, last week, which an acquaintance had given him. It had a plausible Chesterton sound, but it was faux. Came from Samuel Johnson.

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On a somewhat related note, I've always thought it would be useful to make a list of books which would persuade me to take my chances on drowning to find another island. I tried to limit these to books people may have actually heard of. A few are on the list of must-have books that started this thread. I hope you won't hold it against me.

Crime and Punishment
Wuthering Heights
Howards End
Down and Out in London and Paris - I hesitated with this selection because, well, because he's George Orwell. But, dayum, there aren't enough Os in booooring to describe this. Same with - please forgive me -
Confessions
The Awakening - Kate Chopin. The proto-bitter-feminist. Read this and see for yourself why those wimmen are so insufferable.
Anything by Ernest Hemingway or William Faulkner

One category of books I find particularly inane and useless are the ones pushed off on teachers during inservice. A few get shoved in our faces or mailbox throughout the school year. The writers are always praised on or by Oprah Winfrey, which should tell you all you need to know. Dante, were he around today, would have put such writers somewhere in hell:
The Essential 55 - Ronn Clark
Who Moved My Cheese? - Spencer Johnson
The Energy Bus - Jon Gordon

Dishonorable mention goes to loathsome writers and/or the loathsome implications of their work:
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas - Hunter Thompson, the most despicable writer of the 60s.
Angela's Ashes - I read it all the way to the end because I was morbidly fascinated how much lower the father would sink.
Father Joe: The Man Who Saved My Soul - Tony Hendra. It started out with such promise. He tenderly describes a Benedictine monk who helps him understand love and the Church. Hendra helped found the satire magazine National Lampoon, and along the way developed a penchant for ridiculing all Fr. Joe taught him.

Special mention must be given to House on Mango Street, a work that got traction in public schools because of diversity committees who have no sense of tradition, literary value or humor. You have to read it to disbelieve it.

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On a somewhat related note, I've always thought it would be useful to make a list of books which would persuade me to take my chances on drowning to find another island. I tried to limit these to books people may have actually heard of. A few are on the list of must-have books that started this thread. I hope you won't hold it against me.

Crime and Punishment

Currently holding it against you. :fyi:

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gherkin wrote:
Riverboat wrote:
On a somewhat related note, I've always thought it would be useful to make a list of books which would persuade me to take my chances on drowning to find another island. I tried to limit these to books people may have actually heard of. A few are on the list of must-have books that started this thread. I hope you won't hold it against me.

Crime and Punishment

Currently holding it against you. :fyi:


I agree with gherkin.

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