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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:40 pm 
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When did RCIA first begin?


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 Post subject: Re: RCIA
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1. From the beginning of the Church founded by the Apostles.

2. There was a restoration in the 1960's.

The catechumenate as we know it began to develop between 100 and 200 AD.
The fully-structured process emerged between the third and fifth centuries. By the third century, the initiation process had become a three-year, highly-structured formation.
In 315, the Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity. Large numbers of people began to convert to the Christian faith. The quality of catechesis and formation began to suffer.
In the late fifth century, the practice of initiation began to be focused on infants. Confirmation and Eucharist began to be separated from baptism.
By the twelfth century, the practice of infant baptism was normative. The catechumenate had died out, but elements of it could still be seen in the formation of monks and nuns.
By the sixteenth century, entire villages and communities were being baptized en-mass with little or no formation.
By the twentieth century, the catechumenate was a distant memory. However, some French missionaries began to revive elements of the ancient formation process to counteract the negative effects of mass baptisms and elevate the quality of lived-discipleship.

At the Second Vatican Council, the bishops called for a restoration of the catechumenate.
1966 – the provisional ritual for catechumenate was distributed
1972 – the normative rite was promulgated in Latin (Ordo initiationis christianae adultorum)
1974 – a provisional English translation was issued (Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults)
1986 – the U.S. Bishops’ Conference approved present edition of the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults with U.S. adaptations, national statutes, and a national plan of implementation
1988 – the U.S Bishops made the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults mandatory in the United States.

ref: http://teamrcia.com/learningcenter/othe ... -the-rcia/

See also http://www.catholicdoors.com/courses/rcia.htm

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 Post subject: Re: RCIA
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:00 pm 
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I recently came across the book that my mother used in the early 50's. It was in question and answer format similar to the Baltimore Catechism. She had individual instruction from the nearby parish priest.

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 Post subject: Re: RCIA
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aussie_aussie_oi_oi wrote:
1. From the beginning of the Church founded by the Apostles.
aussie_aussie_oi_oi wrote:
There was a restoration in the 1960's.
Are you suggesting that there wasn't any teaching of the faith to adults from the age of the Apostles until the 1960s?

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 Post subject: Re: RCIA
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For those studying RCIA, if a non-Catholic had previously been baptized in a different religion, must he be baptized as a Catholic? Or does the Catholic Church forbid two baptisms?


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Petronius wrote:
For those studying RCIA, if a non-Catholic had previously been baptized in a different religion, must he be baptized as a Catholic? Or does the Catholic Church forbid two baptisms?


If the first baptism was valid, then it would be blasphemous to re-baptize, because it would imply that it didn't 'take' the first time. If the first baptism is of doubtful validity, then there can be a conditional baptism, where the formula is 'if you have not been baptized, then I baptize you....'

Most Protestant denominations have a valid baptism. Instances one invalid baptism would include Oneness Pentecostal, Mormon and Jehovah's Witness because none of them believe in the Trinity.

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 Post subject: Re: RCIA
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anawim wrote:
I recently came across the book that my mother used in the early 50's. It was in question and answer format similar to the Baltimore Catechism. She had individual instruction from the nearby parish priest.
Yes. I don't think RCIA is mandatory, but it is normative.

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 Post subject: Re: RCIA
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The set of "Rites" that we know today were Promulgated in the 1970's.

The classes that prepare people for the Rites vary widely around the world.

The Church has been accepting converts since the beginning.

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 Post subject: Re: RCIA
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For those studying RCIA, if a non-Catholic had previously been confirmed in a different religion, must he be confirmed as a Catholic? Or does the Catholic Church forbid two confirmations?


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Petronius wrote:
For those studying RCIA, if a non-Catholic had previously been confirmed in a different religion, must he be confirmed as a Catholic? Or does the Catholic Church forbid two confirmations?


Protestants only have two valid sacraments, baptism and matrimony, although most Protestants do not believe that marriage is a sacrament. Those Protestants that do practice confirmation, such as Lutherans and Episcopalians, cannot offer a valid confirmation because their ministers do not have valid Holy Orders. Their converts will need to receive a valid confirmation.

Churches that do have valid Holy Orders, such as the Orthodox Churches, or Catholic splinter groups like the Old Catholics can perform a valid confirmation.

If one has already received a valid confirmation, he cannot receive a second one, for the same reasons that re-baptisms are forbidden.

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