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 Post subject: "Church of Spies: The Pope’s Secret War Against Hitler"
PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 9:29 pm 
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A search on "spies" of all the forums in this message board yielded nothing, so I suppose nobody has mentioned this book by Mark Riebling (Note: I originally misspelled this as "Riesling"): Church of Spies: The Pope’s Secret War Against Hitler

Mercator.net offers this review: Church of Spies: The Pope’s secret war against Hitler.

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St. Irenaeus of Lyons wrote:
A search on "spies" of all the forums in this message board yielded nothing, so I suppose nobody has mentioned this book by Mark Riesling: Church of Spies: The Pope’s Secret War Against Hitler

Mercator.net offers this review: Church of Spies: The Pope’s secret war against Hitler.



Haven't mentioned it. But I've been eyeballing it at B&N.

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 Post subject: Re: "Church of Spies: The Pope’s Secret War Against Hitler"
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I have this book and am reading it. :wave

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I read this book

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
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I agree with Obi-Wan.

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Well, no one asked what anyone thought of the book, only if anyone had read it. :)

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Well, no one asked what anyone thought of the book, only if anyone had read it. :)



What did you think of the book?

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This book does describe the scene how Hitler and his wife, Eva, died...

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lbt wrote:
This book does describe the scene how Hitler and his wife, Eva, died...



In the bunker, poison/gun?

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Well, no one asked what anyone thought of the book, only if anyone had read it. :)

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GKC wrote:
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This book does describe the scene how Hitler and his wife, Eva, died...



In the bunker, poison/gun?


Yes, on pages 236-237.

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lbt wrote:
GKC wrote:
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This book does describe the scene how Hitler and his wife, Eva, died...



In the bunker, poison/gun?


Yes, on pages 236-237.


It's the commonly accepted story.

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GKC wrote:
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This book does describe the scene how Hitler and his wife, Eva, died...



In the bunker, poison/gun?


Yes, on pages 236-237.


It's the commonly accepted story.


There are eyewitness accounts. Have you perchance, seen the German movie 'Der Untergang', English title 'Downfall'? It tells the story of Hitler's last week in the bunker, the source of the story is the diary and personal reminiscences of Hitler's own secretary, Trudl Junge, who was there when it happened, and her memories are confirmed by the memories of a few others who there. She died in 2002.

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Doom wrote:
GKC wrote:
lbt wrote:
GKC wrote:
lbt wrote:
This book does describe the scene how Hitler and his wife, Eva, died...



In the bunker, poison/gun?


Yes, on pages 236-237.


It's the commonly accepted story.


There are eyewitness accounts. Have you perchance, seen the German movie 'Der Untergang', English title 'Downfall'? It tells the story of Hitler's last week in the bunker, the source of the story is the diary and personal reminiscences of Hitler's own secretary, Trudl Junge, who was there when it happened, and her memories are confirmed by the memories of a few others who there. She died in 2002.


Have not see the movie. Have read a number of the accounts from those in the bunker, though not at the scene of the crime.

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Have not seen the movie. Have read a number of the accounts from those in the bunker, though not at the scene of the crime.


Apparently no one witnessed the actual suicide except those who participated in it. The movie doesn't show the suicide directly, it focuses on Junge, she is in another room and hears the gun being fired, but didn't witness it directly. I highly recommend the movie.

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Have not seen the movie. Have read a number of the accounts from those in the bunker, though not at the scene of the crime.


Apparently no one witnessed the actual suicide except those who participated in it. The movie doesn't show the suicide directly, it focuses on Junge, she is in another room and hears the gun being fired, but didn't witness it directly. I highly recommend the movie.



That no one saw it was my point, yes.

I would like to see the movie. Unlikely I will.

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I saw the movie, and Trudl gave a talk, too.

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I saw the movie, and Trudl gave a talk, too.



I have seen her interviewed.

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From RomeReorts:

http://www.romereports.com/2016/04/09/c ... own-hitler

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