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 Post subject: What music should be sung at Mass?
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Greetings,

So the thread on the Protestant Paradigm does NOT go into a different direction, lets look at what should be sung at mass.

Currently a pastor can sing anything they want in church from Irish eyes are smiling to Salve Regina. According to the GIRM ALL hymns must be approved by our local Bishop. Since there is NOT a single bishop in the USA who has ever approved music, it is left open to sing whatever you want.

Until the Bishops have an approval process for Music we will have total chaos. So, now that the flood gates are open and all music is open to personal interpretation and tastes what Music should be allowed.

1. Any music that mentions God in a positive way, of any musical style?

2. Any music that encourages good human action or references to God, and any musical style?

3. It must Must Jesus, have some element of Adoration with musical styles open.

4. Music should be trinitarian?

5. All music should be based on scriptures?

6. Music should be based on the Entrance and communion antiphons?

What Criteria should be used. What can I tell the wedding couples when they are choosing music for their weddings? Right now they get very angry when they cannot sing the song Uncle Sal wrote for them at the wedding.

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Whatever it is, it should be decided by Rome so that everybody is singing the same throughout the world.

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Father, bishops are going to vote this month!

Bishops to Vote on Norms for Hymns at Mass

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Greetings,

Many people say we have to do contemporary music for our young people--- Baloney!!!!

People in their mid 40s want contemporary music and what they mean by this is folk music. They still want tamborines!!

Our young people will sing whatever is sung and they enjoy it all. I went to the spring concert last year at our local public high school. This is made up of all the kids from our youth choir. The Entire concert was Sacred Latin Music.

They are doing Sacred Music in Latin at the Public school and they come to church and we are singing "We are the Church" with tamborines. The love to sing the complicated music. They enjoyed doing that concert.

We middle age people like folk music and we just assume that Young People must like what we like.

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Greetings,

You said: Father, bishops are going to vote this month!

Response: Actually, they are NOT. They are not going to approve music or not approve music. They are putting together a directory with guidelines for approving music. This means that they will say all that goes into making good catholic music, but then it will NEVER be applied to anything.

When the bride is planning her wedding, and guide for HOW to approve catholic music is not very much help.

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TP wrote:
Greetings,

Many people say we have to do contemporary music for our young people--- Baloney!!!!

People in their mid 40s want contemporary music and what they mean by this is folk music. They still want tamborines!!

Our young people will sing whatever is sung and they enjoy it all. I went to the spring concert last year at our local public high school. This is made up of all the kids from our youth choir. The Entire concert was Sacred Latin Music.

They are doing Sacred Music in Latin at the Public school and they come to church and we are singing "We are the Church" with tamborines. The love to sing the complicated music. They enjoyed doing that concert.

We middle age people like folk music and we just assume that Young People must like what we like.

peace


Now you're getting into what people like again. If it's not a matter about what people like, than it shouldn't matter what kids like or don't like.

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TP wrote:
When the bride is planning her wedding, and guide for HOW to approve catholic music is not very much help.


As a bride, I must agree. :)

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Greetings,

Actually, people say we must do contemporary music because that is what kids like. In my post I am trying to say that the kids will sing anything and enjoy it.

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Greetings,

Okay, lets go to the official document on Liturgy. Here are the ONLY options for an entrance chant. Notice it does NOT say song, but chant. These are the ONLY options:


Girm #48. The singing at this time is done either alternately by the choir and the people or in a similar way by the cantor and the people, or entirely by the people, or by the choir alone. In the dioceses of the United States of America there are four options for the Entrance Chant:
(1) the antiphon from the Roman Missal or the Psalm from the Roman Gradual as set to music there or in another musical setting;
(2) the seasonal antiphon and Psalm of the Simple Gradual;
(3) a song from another collection of psalms and antiphons, approved by the Conference of Bishops or the Diocesan Bishop, including psalms arranged in responsorial or metrical forms;
(4) a suitable liturgical song similarly approved by the Conference of Bishops or the Diocesan Bishop.


We have 4 options for the openning chant. Since there are NO songs approved by the diocesan Bishop OR the conference of Bishops, they should NOT be singing any of the songs/hymns we are currently using. According to the RULES, there is NOT a single parish following the rules(especially not mine). Either the bishops should be approving songs, or we can't use the last two options.

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Greetings,

Here is the Anglican Use Gradual. Why couldn't our bishops have translated the Roman Gradual into english with Text notation. We translated our Sacramentary and our lectionary, we should also translate our musicians book.

http://anglicanhistory.org/music/gradual/gradual.pdf

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TP wrote:
Response: Actually, they are NOT. They are not going to approve music or not approve music. They are putting together a directory with guidelines for approving music. This means that they will say all that goes into making good catholic music, but then it will NEVER be applied to anything.


A directory, as proposed by the Subcommitte on Music and Liturgy is a start. They are proposing rules. An individual song/chant will be submitted to the local bishop for approval. Also there should be guidelines, as you guess: they should not dilute Christian dogmas like the Trinity and Christology. Is Christ divine, for example?

The directory is mandated within five years by the document Liturgiam Authenticam, #108.

Liturgiam Authenticam

Here's translation from Adoremus:

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108. Sung texts and liturgical hymns have a particular importance and efficacy. Especially on Sunday, the "Day of the Lord", the singing of the faithful gathered for the celebration of Holy Mass, no less than the prayers, the readings and the homily, express in an authentic way the message of the Liturgy while fostering a sense of common faith and communion in charity.

If they are used widely by the faithful, they should remain relatively fixed so that confusion among the people may be avoided. Within five years from the publication of this Instruction, the Conferences of Bishops, necessarily in collaboration with the national and diocesan Commissions and with other experts, shall provide for the publication of a directory or repertory of texts intended for liturgical singing. This document shall be transmitted for the necessary recognitio to the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments.


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Greetings,

Here is a slide show going through the directory. It has some very interesting facts. I hope you can open this. Some people I have sent it to were unable to open it:

http://www.usccb.org/liturgy/MUSIC%20FDLCnew.ppt

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Wow.

That was a very interesting slideshow.

I'm a bit confused though...as lay people, are we able to look forward to more regulation about our music, or is that not going to happen?

Thanks!
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Greetings,

This is what is being discussed at the next bishop's conference meeting.

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TP wrote:
Greetings,

This is what is being discussed at the next bishop's conference meeting.

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Thanks! I will pray about it!

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