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 Post subject: Fresh new batch of Cardinals ... 29 Jun 2018
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This morning the Holy Father announced 14 new Cardinals will be created on 29 June 2018.

To Be Created Cardinal:
+ Louis Raphaël I Sako, Patriarch of Babylon {Babilonia} (Chaldean), Iraq; Age: 69.9
+ Luis Francisco Ladaria Ferrer, S.J., Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith; Age: 74.1
+ Angelo De Donatis, Vicar General of Roma {Rome}, Italy; Age: 64.4
+ Giovanni Angelo Becciu, Substitute (Sostituto) of the Secretariat of State; Age: 70.0
+ Konrad Krajewski, Almoner of the Office of Papal Charities; Age: 54.5
+ Joseph Coutts, Archbishop of Karachi, Pakistan; Age: 72.9
+ António Augusto dos Santos Marto, Bishop of Leiria-Fátima, Portugal; Age: 71.1
+ Pedro Ricardo Barreto Jimeno, S.J., Archbishop of Huancayo, Peru; Age: 74.3
+ Désiré Tsarahazana, Archbishop of Toamasina, Madagascar; Age: 64.0
+ Giuseppe Petrocchi, Archbishop of L’Aquila, Italy; Age: 69.8
+ Thomas Aquino Manyo Maeda, Archbishop of Osaka, Japan; Age: 69.3
Count: 11; Average Age: 68.6

To Be Created Cardinal (Non-Voting):
+ Sergio Obeso Rivera, Archbishop Emeritus of Jalapa (Xalapa), Veracruz, México; Age: 86.6
+ Toribio Ticona Porco, Prelate Emeritus of Corocoro, Bolivia; Age: 81.1
+ Aquilino Bocos Merino, C.M.F., Superior General Emeritus of Missionary Sons of the Immaculate Heart of Mary; Age: 80.1
Count: 3; Average Age: 82.6

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 Post subject: Re: Fresh new batch of Cardinals ... 29 Jun 2018
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I'm awaiting the analysis of these good folk on the message the Pope is sending.

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 Post subject: Re: Fresh new batch of Cardinals ... 29 Jun 2018
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Based on past practices, I would expect the new Cardinals to be created as follows:

Cardinal-Bishop: Sako
Cardinal-Priest: Coutts; dos Santos Marto; Barreto Jimeno; Tsarahazana; Petrocchi; Maeda; Obeso Rivera; Ticona Porco
Cardinal-Deacon: Ladaria Ferrer; De Donatis; Becciu; Krajewski; Bocos Merino

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 Post subject: Re: Fresh new batch of Cardinals ... 29 Jun 2018
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No Africans. Unless you count Madagascar, which I don't.

The requisite Italians. Lots of Latin Americans.

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 Post subject: Re: Fresh new batch of Cardinals ... 29 Jun 2018
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Ok, DC, you got me. :scratch: Please explain what you mean by "Cardinal-Bishop," "Cardinal-Priest," and "Cardinal-Deacon."

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 Post subject: Re: Fresh new batch of Cardinals ... 29 Jun 2018
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The College of Cardinals is broken into 3 ranks: Cardinal-Bishop, Cardinal-Priest, and Cardinal-Deacon. Those titles (today) have nothing to do with whether the person is a bishop, priest, or deacon.

There are 6 Latin-Rite Cardinal-Bishops plus any Patriarchs of Eastern Catholic Churches.

Cardinal-Priest is generally given to "residential" bishops - aka, those that run a diocese (or archdiocese).

Cardinal-Deacon is generally given to bishops that work in the Roman Curia or have other roles besides a residential bishop.

(Cardinal-Deacons that have served for 10 years as a Cardinal may request to be elevated to Cardinal-Priest - which also happened last week to 6 Cardinals.)

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 Post subject: Re: Fresh new batch of Cardinals ... 29 Jun 2018
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Well, you learn something Catholic every day.

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 Post subject: Re: Fresh new batch of Cardinals ... 29 Jun 2018
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I am very interested in Bishop António Marto of the Diocese Leiria Fátima. Must be first bishop from the Marian Sanctuary of Fátima to become a Cardinal on June 29th.

Congrats!

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 Post subject: Re: Fresh new batch of Cardinals ... 29 Jun 2018
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Highlander wrote:
No Africans. Unless you count Madagascar, which I don't.

The requisite Italians. Lots of Latin Americans.


Highlander, why do you discount Madagascar as African?

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 Post subject: Re: Fresh new batch of Cardinals ... 29 Jun 2018
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Geologically, it is a separate tectonic plate. Though that is arguable. Linguistically, it is Polynesian-East Indian. Culturally, it is SE Asian.

It just happens to be near Africa.

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 Post subject: Re: Fresh new batch of Cardinals ... 29 Jun 2018
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oh, minor update, ceremony has been moved to 28 Jun.

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 Post subject: Re: Fresh new batch of Cardinals ... 29 Jun 2018
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Highlander wrote:
Geologically, it is a separate tectonic plate. Though that is arguable. Linguistically, it is Polynesian-East Indian. Culturally, it is SE Asian.

It just happens to be near Africa.


OK. Interestingly, though, Wikipedia has this [bold is mine]:
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The Malagasy language is of Malayo-Polynesian origin and is generally spoken throughout the island. The numerous dialects of Malagasy, which are generally mutually intelligible,[157] can be clustered under one of two subgroups: eastern Malagasy, spoken along the eastern forests and highlands including the Merina dialect of Antananarivo and western Malagasy, spoken across the western coastal plains. French became the official language during the colonial period, when Madagascar came under the authority of France. In the first national Constitution of 1958, Malagasy and French were named the official languages of the Malagasy Republic. Madagascar is a francophone country, and French is mostly spoken as a second language among the educated population and used for international communication.[20]

I'm not gainsaying you, but this ties Madagascar to the African colonial experience.

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 Post subject: Re: Fresh new batch of Cardinals ... 29 Jun 2018
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St. Irenaeus of Lyons wrote:

OK. Interestingly, though, Wikipedia has this [bold is mine]:
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The Malagasy language is of Malayo-Polynesian origin and is generally spoken throughout the island. The numerous dialects of Malagasy, which are generally mutually intelligible,[157] can be clustered under one of two subgroups: eastern Malagasy, spoken along the eastern forests and highlands including the Merina dialect of Antananarivo and western Malagasy, spoken across the western coastal plains. French became the official language during the colonial period, when Madagascar came under the authority of France. In the first national Constitution of 1958, Malagasy and French were named the official languages of the Malagasy Republic. Madagascar is a francophone country, and French is mostly spoken as a second language among the educated population and used for international communication.[20]

I'm not gainsaying you, but this ties Madagascar to the African colonial experience.


I understand your point. Similarly, Tahiti speaks a Polynesian dialect and has French as an official language. Does that make Tahiti African?

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 Post subject: Re: Fresh new batch of Cardinals ... 29 Jun 2018
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lbt wrote:
I am very interested in Bishop António Marto of the Diocese Leiria Fátima. Must be first bishop from the Marian Sanctuary of Fátima to become a Cardinal on June 29th.

Congrats!



Consistory is now taking place on June 28 (not 29). On EWTN TV, I can see the Bishop of Fátima dressed as a Cardinal, but he has not yet received his red biretta.

PS: He just received it!

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