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Author:  Xavier [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:29 pm ]
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http://www.ncregister.com/blog/breedail ... ion-dec.-6

** It's on my calendar, but I'm also praying about it daily :pray:

"Four exorcists have issued a joint statement asking Catholics worldwide to dedicate Dec. 6 as a day of fasting, prayer and reparation, “for the purpose of driving out any diabolic influence within the Church that has been gained as a result of recent events.”

The exorcists, who have requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of their ministries, cited in a particular way the controversy that took place during the recent Pan-Amazon Synod, when statues purportedly of Pachamama, a goddess worshiped by indigenous Andeans, were incorporated into various synod events.

“These events bring home the reality that we are in spiritual warfare,” they said in their statement, “and that warfare is happening with the Church itself.”"

Author:  Xavier [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:32 pm ]
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Signum Crucis wrote:
I read (somewhere) that Pope Francis actually called the statue "Pachamama".


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/full- ... ma-statues

Pope Francis: "Good afternoon, I would like to say a word about the pachamama statues that were removed from the Church at Traspontina, which were there without idolatrous intentions and were thrown into the Tiber.

First of all, this happened in Rome and, as bishop of the diocese, I ask pardon of the people who were offended by this act.

Then, I can inform you that the statues which created so much media clamor were found in the Tiber. The statues are not damaged.

The Commander of the Carabinieri [Italian police] wished to inform us of the retrieval before the news becomes public. At the moment the news is confidential, and the statues are being kept in the office of the Commander of the Italian Carabinieri.

The leadership of the Carabinieri will be very happy to follow any indication given on the method of making the news public, and regarding the other initiatives desired in its regard, for example, the commander said, “the display of the statues at the closing Mass of the Synod.” We’ll see.

I delegate the Secretary of State to respond to this.

This is good news, thank you."

Author:  tAnGo [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:27 pm ]
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Xavier wrote:
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/breedail/four-exorcists-urge-day-of-fasting-prayer-and-reparation-dec.-6

** It's on my calendar, but I'm also praying about it daily :pray:

"Four exorcists have issued a joint statement asking Catholics worldwide to dedicate Dec. 6 as a day of fasting, prayer and reparation, “for the purpose of driving out any diabolic influence within the Church that has been gained as a result of recent events.”

The exorcists, who have requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of their ministries, cited in a particular way the controversy that took place during the recent Pan-Amazon Synod, when statues purportedly of Pachamama, a goddess worshiped by indigenous Andeans, were incorporated into various synod events.

“These events bring home the reality that we are in spiritual warfare,” they said in their statement, “and that warfare is happening with the Church itself.”"


I guess those four exorcists would fall into Denise Dee's "minority of Catholics"... or maybe they are part of the group of those "people who are very obsessive about the letter of the law, or excessively scrupulous or something" ... a group of "people with a particular type of mindset who focus on details rigidly" .... a group of people who just don't understand "the spirit of what Pope Francis is doing," unlike the vast majority of Catholics, such as Denise Dee.

So it must be that these four, unnamed exorcists are the ones who are confused, while the "vast majority of Catholics" --- like Denise Dee --- are more in tune with the thoughts and 'spirit' of what the pontiff is doing.

Just a guess. Maybe NCResgister needs to step up their game in calling out the confusion these exorcists are causing. Because if the pope hasn't erred in some way, or caused any confusion, then what these exorcists are doing suggests that the pope did, in fact, err and cause confusion. So really, it is these exorcists who are the creators of confusion in regard to the pachamama incident.

Confused yet?

Author:  Denise Dee [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:00 pm ]
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tAnGo wrote:
Xavier wrote:
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/breedail/four-exorcists-urge-day-of-fasting-prayer-and-reparation-dec.-6

** It's on my calendar, but I'm also praying about it daily :pray:

"Four exorcists have issued a joint statement asking Catholics worldwide to dedicate Dec. 6 as a day of fasting, prayer and reparation, “for the purpose of driving out any diabolic influence within the Church that has been gained as a result of recent events.”

The exorcists, who have requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of their ministries, cited in a particular way the controversy that took place during the recent Pan-Amazon Synod, when statues purportedly of Pachamama, a goddess worshiped by indigenous Andeans, were incorporated into various synod events.

“These events bring home the reality that we are in spiritual warfare,” they said in their statement, “and that warfare is happening with the Church itself.”"


I guess those four exorcists would fall into Denise Dee's "minority of Catholics"... or maybe they are part of the group of those "people who are very obsessive about the letter of the law, or excessively scrupulous or something" ... a group of "people with a particular type of mindset who focus on details rigidly" .... a group of people who just don't understand "the spirit of what Pope Francis is doing," unlike the vast majority of Catholics, such as Denise Dee.

So it must be that these four, unnamed exorcists are the ones who are confused, while the "vast majority of Catholics" --- like Denise Dee --- are more in tune with the thoughts and 'spirit' of what the pontiff is doing.

Just a guess. Maybe NCResgister needs to step up their game in calling out the confusion these exorcists are causing. Because if the pope hasn't erred in some way, or caused any confusion, then what these exorcists are doing suggests that the pope did, in fact, err and cause confusion. So really, it is these exorcists who are the creators of confusion in regard to the pachamama incident.

Confused yet?

Four anonymous exorcists out of a total of how many exorcists in the Catholic Church. They certainly are a tiny minority.

Author:  Highlander [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:46 am ]
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If it was the case that all but one agreed on an issue, one could argue that some did not agree ... thus unanimity was not demonstrated. So, no conclusion could be drawn.

One could argue that.

Author:  Doom [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:39 am ]
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Denise Dee wrote:
tAnGo wrote:
Xavier wrote:
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/breedail/four-exorcists-urge-day-of-fasting-prayer-and-reparation-dec.-6

** It's on my calendar, but I'm also praying about it daily :pray:

"Four exorcists have issued a joint statement asking Catholics worldwide to dedicate Dec. 6 as a day of fasting, prayer and reparation, “for the purpose of driving out any diabolic influence within the Church that has been gained as a result of recent events.”

The exorcists, who have requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of their ministries, cited in a particular way the controversy that took place during the recent Pan-Amazon Synod, when statues purportedly of Pachamama, a goddess worshiped by indigenous Andeans, were incorporated into various synod events.

“These events bring home the reality that we are in spiritual warfare,” they said in their statement, “and that warfare is happening with the Church itself.”"


I guess those four exorcists would fall into Denise Dee's "minority of Catholics"... or maybe they are part of the group of those "people who are very obsessive about the letter of the law, or excessively scrupulous or something" ... a group of "people with a particular type of mindset who focus on details rigidly" .... a group of people who just don't understand "the spirit of what Pope Francis is doing," unlike the vast majority of Catholics, such as Denise Dee.

So it must be that these four, unnamed exorcists are the ones who are confused, while the "vast majority of Catholics" --- like Denise Dee --- are more in tune with the thoughts and 'spirit' of what the pontiff is doing.

Just a guess. Maybe NCResgister needs to step up their game in calling out the confusion these exorcists are causing. Because if the pope hasn't erred in some way, or caused any confusion, then what these exorcists are doing suggests that the pope did, in fact, err and cause confusion. So really, it is these exorcists who are the creators of confusion in regard to the pachamama incident.

Confused yet?

Four anonymous exorcists out of a total of how many exorcists in the Catholic Church. They certainly are a tiny minority.



Exorcist is a minor order which means to every priest is technically an exorcist. But it certainly does not mean the only of minority abject it only means that only a minority protest. Every person that speaks out represents thousands if not tens of thousands who are afraid to speak out.

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:16 am ]
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In the current scheme of things, the minor orders are not used except in traditionalist religious orders. A priest is (or at least should be) appointed in each diocese to handle exorcisms, and he is the diocesan exorcist. I am in no sense an exorcist.

One could point out that it's entirely possible that these four know each other and got to talking about the issue. It's not likely that they sent out a worldwide appeal and only these four answered. It would be foolish to infer the opinion of most exorcists either way based on this statement.

Author:  Denise Dee [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:19 am ]
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Doom wrote:
Denise Dee wrote:
tAnGo wrote:
Xavier wrote:
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/breedail/four-exorcists-urge-day-of-fasting-prayer-and-reparation-dec.-6

** It's on my calendar, but I'm also praying about it daily :pray:

"Four exorcists have issued a joint statement asking Catholics worldwide to dedicate Dec. 6 as a day of fasting, prayer and reparation, “for the purpose of driving out any diabolic influence within the Church that has been gained as a result of recent events.”

The exorcists, who have requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of their ministries, cited in a particular way the controversy that took place during the recent Pan-Amazon Synod, when statues purportedly of Pachamama, a goddess worshiped by indigenous Andeans, were incorporated into various synod events.

“These events bring home the reality that we are in spiritual warfare,” they said in their statement, “and that warfare is happening with the Church itself.”"


I guess those four exorcists would fall into Denise Dee's "minority of Catholics"... or maybe they are part of the group of those "people who are very obsessive about the letter of the law, or excessively scrupulous or something" ... a group of "people with a particular type of mindset who focus on details rigidly" .... a group of people who just don't understand "the spirit of what Pope Francis is doing," unlike the vast majority of Catholics, such as Denise Dee.

So it must be that these four, unnamed exorcists are the ones who are confused, while the "vast majority of Catholics" --- like Denise Dee --- are more in tune with the thoughts and 'spirit' of what the pontiff is doing.

Just a guess. Maybe NCResgister needs to step up their game in calling out the confusion these exorcists are causing. Because if the pope hasn't erred in some way, or caused any confusion, then what these exorcists are doing suggests that the pope did, in fact, err and cause confusion. So really, it is these exorcists who are the creators of confusion in regard to the pachamama incident.

Confused yet?

Four anonymous exorcists out of a total of how many exorcists in the Catholic Church. They certainly are a tiny minority.



Exorcist is a minor order which means to every priest is technically an exorcist. But it certainly does not mean the only of minority abject it only means that only a minority protest. Every person that speaks out represents thousands if not tens of thousands who are afraid to speak out.

You could have said hundreds who are afraid to speak out, or millions who are afraid to speak out, but you said "thousands if not tens of thousands who are afraid to speak out". How did you come up with that figure, and why should anyone believe it?

Also, why would they be afraid to speak out?

Author:  tAnGo [ Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:16 pm ]
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edit --- nevermind. trying not to be sour during advent.

Author:  faithfulservant [ Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:30 pm ]
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good call....it is a joyous occasion for us to wait on the Coming of our Lord :cloud9: highly anticipatory, but joyous nonetheless :yes:

Author:  Denise Dee [ Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:29 pm ]
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"Peace and goodwill to all" isn't just for Christmas.

Author:  Signum Crucis [ Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:34 pm ]
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:roll:

Author:  Highlander [ Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:14 am ]
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Contrarian, eh?

Author:  Denise Dee [ Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:55 pm ]
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Highlander wrote:
Contrarian, eh?

Do you not agree?

Author:  Dorothy B. [ Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:11 pm ]
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Denise Dee wrote:
"Peace and goodwill to all" isn't just for Christmas.


This article explains the Catholic explanation of Luke 2:14......

https://www.catholicculture.org/comment ... ll-to-men/

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:09 pm ]
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Where does "peace and goodwill to all" come from?

Author:  Highlander [ Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:41 pm ]
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Denise Dee wrote:
Highlander wrote:
Contrarian, eh?

Do you not agree?

Not at all. Peace and goodwill should be rationed ... to this season and to deserving people.

Author:  tAnGo [ Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:51 pm ]
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where does the quote "peace and goodwill to all" come from?

hopefully it's not a reference to "et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis".....because that would be a terrible translation of the latin.

Author:  Amon98 [ Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:41 pm ]
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According to this translation, Luke 2:14

American King James Version
Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Author:  faithfulservant [ Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:44 pm ]
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why would you trust a kjv.... and an american one at that? :nooo:

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