That's gonna pose a problem.

Yes, he hasn't actually shown any willingness to prove his points up till now.

Five stars for you. I assume you're not a native English or American-English speaker and you caught the nuance. I couldn't do it in Spanish.

Or even support them.

Quia Ego Sic Dico

Exeo Carco Cum Nihil Pretii

You may refer to me as Doc Holliday.

if someone committed a mortal sin that many times in one day

he or she would not even WANT to get to heaven. That is the worst thing about sin, it makes you not even give a rip about holy things anymore. Sin is far more worse in its effects than some think. The word Sin has almost become.. archaic. But when you consider that one psg in the Old T: "God's eyes are too pure to look upon sin" well----

So in conclusion: you have absolutely no reading comprehension and no understanding of language.

if you committed adultery 20 times in one d ay

you would probably start getting bored w/ sex.. which may be the only good to come from it

So in conclusion: you have absolutely no reading comprehension and no understanding of language.

I can't believe people believe Luther over the Catholic Church, esp after reading this kind of baloney (that he actually did say)

Luther is called the Father of Protestantism

Jesus is the "father" of the True Church. Why do people follow a mere man over Jesus Christ who is God?

Well, most of them don't realize they are doing so.. right? I hope

Oh, sure, I understand completely. I understand that Jesus is the father of the Roman Catholic Church, that He has appointed the Pope as His Vicar, and that Luther was completely wrong in his assessment of things. I just like to side with the mere man and heretic Luther over Jesus for giggles. Obviously.

So in conclusion: you, flyingaway, have absolutely no reading comprehension and no understanding of language.

Who was saying most Christians won't be saved?



Jesus, the Judge on judgment day, warned His own disciples about His return to judge. E.g., Mt 25:14-30. The Master gave His own slaves talents. Upon His return, he says to the slave who buried his talent "you wicked slave, you knew I reap where I didn't sow" and that slave gets thrown into the place of weeping and gnashing of teeth.

But again, this isn't saying MOST Christians won't be saved.

The devil has sown tares in with the wheat. The reapers asked if they could weed them out, but were told no...to leave them in until the future harvest. Mt 13:36-43. The tares will be thrown into the place of weeping and gnashing of teeth.

-BHM

According to the OP, flyingaway (who has since flown away), Jesus said it. To which I posted this response


After which, Obi said he didn't agree with me.

I'd say there's probably a lot of self-professed "Christians" who won't be saved. But I wouldn't say that about true Christians. Right?

-BHM

Council of Trent, Session 6, Canon XVI.-If anyone says that he will for certain, with absolute and infallible certainty, have that great gift of perseverance unto the end,-unless he learned this by special revelation; let him be anathema.

As far as I know, the Catholic Church does not teach OSAS - once saved, always saved.

BHM, your reasoning is a logical fallacy known as begging the question. Or is it a tautology? I'm not sure, it's either one or the other, or both.

I believe we teach "once elect always elect - and all of the elect will be saved". Election is outside of time...there are the elect and all of them will indeed be saved. None of them will lose eventual salvation.

Inside of time you can lose your justification by sinning gravely...sin still separates from God. But if we confess, He is faithful and just to forgive our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1 Jn 1:9) because He is the propitiation (three verses later...2:2).

And God will ensure that all of the elect will be saved. For instance, the Lord disciplines us so that we won't be condemned along with the world (1 Cor 11:32). Meaning a 'once for all time imputed righteousness' doesn't seem to be there...since something else has to be done to keep one from being condemned along with the world. A once for all time election is true, but I just don't see a once for all time justification.

-BHM

I was just differing with any view that had true Christians not being saved. This assumes election, and of course perseverance which is given to the elect.

-BHM