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Author:  Closet Catholic [ Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

I highly doubt it was by accident.

Author:  Denise Dee [ Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

Doom wrote:
I honestly think that what we are seeing in this thread right here is one of the main reasons why we get so few newbies, and the ones we do get don't stick around for long.

Look at this, we had a serious discussion going on, and now it has degenerated into mindless post padding. Don't you see that the way this almost always happens with even the most serious threads tends to discourage people who are serious about wanting a real discussion from posting on this forum or taking this forum seriously?

I agree with Doom. These forums seem to be dominated by a clique who seem more concerned with their own private humour rather than address the topics. Humour is good as long as it stays on topic but often silly stuff completely hijacks the topic. Also a few people tend to personally attack when a sincere question is asked. I'm always a bit scared to ask questions here. The other thing is that I don't get questions answered such as the one I asked about finding a spiritual adviser in the Sex and the City thread in Cath 101.

Author:  GKC [ Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

It's late to reply, but I agree with theJack, back on 22 Nov. But as I often note, I'm a guest here, and don't like to cavil about the rules, practices, or general ambiance of the place. If it came to the point I couldn't abide it, I'd pull up stakes.

Been here a long time. Sometimes, I think, have contributed stuff of substance. Sometimes spent a long time chasing Yukon around. Board seems a nice balance of flavors, to me.

Author:  Jack3 [ Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:32 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

Denise Dee wrote:
Doom wrote:
I honestly think that what we are seeing in this thread right here is one of the main reasons why we get so few newbies, and the ones we do get don't stick around for long.

Look at this, we had a serious discussion going on, and now it has degenerated into mindless post padding. Don't you see that the way this almost always happens with even the most serious threads tends to discourage people who are serious about wanting a real discussion from posting on this forum or taking this forum seriously?

I agree with Doom. These forums seem to be dominated by a clique who seem more concerned with their own private humour rather than address the topics.


Please provide examples of threads which descended into post-padding and humour before the original question had been answered.

Author:  gherkin [ Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

I object to the idea that threads descend into post padding and humor. I've seen post padding threads reach sublime heights of absurdity. :fyi:

Author:  theJack [ Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

gherkin wrote:
I object to the idea that threads descend into post padding and humor. I've seen post padding threads reach sublime heights of absurdity. :fyi:

BOARD MURDERER!!!!!!! :argh :argh :argh :verymad: :verymad: :verymad:

Author:  Denise Dee [ Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

Jack3 wrote:
Denise Dee wrote:
Doom wrote:
I honestly think that what we are seeing in this thread right here is one of the main reasons why we get so few newbies, and the ones we do get don't stick around for long.

Look at this, we had a serious discussion going on, and now it has degenerated into mindless post padding. Don't you see that the way this almost always happens with even the most serious threads tends to discourage people who are serious about wanting a real discussion from posting on this forum or taking this forum seriously?

I agree with Doom. These forums seem to be dominated by a clique who seem more concerned with their own private humour rather than address the topics.


Please provide examples of threads which descended into post-padding and humour before the original question had been answered.

In Choosing the right path thread, first of all I was criticised and side-tracked merely for saying "It's very confusing to someone who is open minded. How is a fair and honest open minded person to decide?"

And then 11 of the last 12 posts in that thread were frivolous off-topic posts.


In Marriages that are not Catholic marriages there are 10 in a row, posts 7 to 16, before I had to say nobody really answered my question, and two more later in the thread (then it was locked for other reasons)

In Is God unchanging, 5 of the last 6.


In the mediaeval mind and hell thread I set out an argument for what I considered to be a very good point on Thursday 13 September and it was immediately followed by four entirely off-topic frivolous posts followed by two inadequate replies and nothing more.

Author:  theJack [ Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

Denise Dee wrote:
Jack3 wrote:
Denise Dee wrote:
Doom wrote:
I honestly think that what we are seeing in this thread right here is one of the main reasons why we get so few newbies, and the ones we do get don't stick around for long.

Look at this, we had a serious discussion going on, and now it has degenerated into mindless post padding. Don't you see that the way this almost always happens with even the most serious threads tends to discourage people who are serious about wanting a real discussion from posting on this forum or taking this forum seriously?

I agree with Doom. These forums seem to be dominated by a clique who seem more concerned with their own private humour rather than address the topics.


Please provide examples of threads which descended into post-padding and humour before the original question had been answered.

In Choosing the right path thread, first of all I was criticised and side-tracked merely for saying "It's very confusing to someone who is open minded. How is a fair and honest open minded person to decide?"

And then 11 of the last 12 posts in that thread were frivolous off-topic posts.

And you had three full pages of having your questions fully and sincerely addressed.

Quote:
In Marriages that are not Catholic marriages there are 10 in a row, posts 7 to 16, before I had to say nobody really answered my question, and two more later in the thread (then it was locked for other reasons)

As Doom noted, your questions had already been answered, esp posts #2, #4, and #5.

Quote:
In Is God unchanging, 5 of the last 6.

Obi responded inside of 30 minutes with the correct response with a nice conversation between other board members after that nuancing that answer a little bit. You asked a follow up question nine days later (!), which Obi again answered a few hours later and TC as well. Again, those answers were absolutely correct, and the fun came only afterwards.

Quote:
In the mediaeval mind and hell thread I set out an argument for what I considered to be a very good point on Thursday 13 September and it was immediately followed by four entirely off-topic frivolous posts followed by two inadequate replies and nothing more.

The thread was at that point 5 days old. Let's grant that you asked a question (that some immediately tried to answer, not to your satisfaction). It wasn't your thread and the issue under discussion had already been explored with fair nuance. The fact that others didn't feel particularly compelled to answer your questions (again, in a thread not your own) says absolutely nothing negative about them whatsoever, much less about the board. The implication that somehow if you ask a question you are entitled to someone else's time in answering you, that they cannot enjoy playful banter with friends until they have granted you your due, strikes me as less than charitable.

In short, Denise, your questions have been taken seriously. You have been offered serious answers. How seriously you have taken those serious answers from serious people is another question entirely, and the fact that those people feel free to enjoy one another's company rather than sitting merely and only to answer your questions is, in my own opinion, to their credit; it's one of the reasons I actually enjoy this board. It's one of the reasons you would enjoy it if you would let yourself, my dear sister. :)

Author:  gherkin [ Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

theJack wrote:
gherkin wrote:
I object to the idea that threads descend into post padding and humor. I've seen post padding threads reach sublime heights of absurdity. :fyi:

BOARD MURDERER!!!!!!! :argh :argh :argh :verymad: :verymad: :verymad:

:cloud9: :cloud9: :cloud9: :cloud9: :cloud9:

Author:  Denise Dee [ Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

theJack wrote:
Denise Dee wrote:
Jack3 wrote:
Denise Dee wrote:
Doom wrote:
I honestly think that what we are seeing in this thread right here is one of the main reasons why we get so few newbies, and the ones we do get don't stick around for long.

Look at this, we had a serious discussion going on, and now it has degenerated into mindless post padding. Don't you see that the way this almost always happens with even the most serious threads tends to discourage people who are serious about wanting a real discussion from posting on this forum or taking this forum seriously?

I agree with Doom. These forums seem to be dominated by a clique who seem more concerned with their own private humour rather than address the topics.


Please provide examples of threads which descended into post-padding and humour before the original question had been answered.

In Choosing the right path thread, first of all I was criticised and side-tracked merely for saying "It's very confusing to someone who is open minded. How is a fair and honest open minded person to decide?"

And then 11 of the last 12 posts in that thread were frivolous off-topic posts.

And you had three full pages of having your questions fully and sincerely addressed.

Quote:
In Marriages that are not Catholic marriages there are 10 in a row, posts 7 to 16, before I had to say nobody really answered my question, and two more later in the thread (then it was locked for other reasons)

As Doom noted, your questions had already been answered, esp posts #2, #4, and #5.

Quote:
In Is God unchanging, 5 of the last 6.

Obi responded inside of 30 minutes with the correct response with a nice conversation between other board members after that nuancing that answer a little bit. You asked a follow up question nine days later (!), which Obi again answered a few hours later and TC as well. Again, those answers were absolutely correct, and the fun came only afterwards.

Quote:
In the mediaeval mind and hell thread I set out an argument for what I considered to be a very good point on Thursday 13 September and it was immediately followed by four entirely off-topic frivolous posts followed by two inadequate replies and nothing more.

The thread was at that point 5 days old. Let's grant that you asked a question (that some immediately tried to answer, not to your satisfaction). It wasn't your thread and the issue under discussion had already been explored with fair nuance. The fact that others didn't feel particularly compelled to answer your questions (again, in a thread not your own) says absolutely nothing negative about them whatsoever, much less about the board. The implication that somehow if you ask a question you are entitled to someone else's time in answering you, that they cannot enjoy playful banter with friends until they have granted you your due, strikes me as less than charitable.

In short, Denise, your questions have been taken seriously. You have been offered serious answers. How seriously you have taken those serious answers from serious people is another question entirely, and the fact that those people feel free to enjoy one another's company rather than sitting merely and only to answer your questions is, in my own opinion, to their credit; it's one of the reasons I actually enjoy this board. It's one of the reasons you would enjoy it if you would let yourself, my dear sister. :)

Obi has given some excellent answers. I didn't say it was all bad. Edited by Administrator to remove a snarky comment that would normally result in a vacation from the board.

Author:  Doom [ Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

Denise Dee wrote:

I agree with Doom. These forums seem to be dominated by a clique who seem more concerned with their own private humor rather than address the topics.


There you go, that is the thing I was going for but couldn't articulate. This board is INCREDIBLY cliquey. The post padding consists of the endless repetition of the same stale jokes over and over again, jokes which I have to admit I don't understand, even though I've been here longer than any other member, and it is this cliquiness, this feeling that I am not in on the joke, that makes me feel alienated and leads me to avoid threads that devolve into post padding. It is like being back in high school, where there are the 'cool kids' who behave in a certain way in order to identify 'insiders' and 'outsiders', and I am an outsider. That's why I don't like post padding. Thank you.

Author:  GKC [ Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

Doom wrote:
Denise Dee wrote:

I agree with Doom. These forums seem to be dominated by a clique who seem more concerned with their own private humor rather than address the topics.


There you go, that is the thing I was going for but couldn't articulate. This board is INCREDIBLY cliquey. The post padding consists of the endless repetition of the same stale jokes over and over again, jokes which I have to admit I don't understand, even though I've been here longer than any other member, and it is this cliquiness, this feeling that I am not in on the joke, that makes me feel alienated and leads me to avoid threads that devolve into post padding. It is like being back in high school, where there are the 'cool kids' who behave in a certain way in order to identify 'insiders' and 'outsiders', and I am an outsider. That's why I don't like post padding. Thank you.



Longer than any other member?

Author:  Jack3 [ Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Consubstantiality

Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:


Another book I would encourage you to read is Rod Bennett's The Apostasy that Wasn't, which you can get in electronic form for free, though I don't expect that offer to last long. It's the story of how the Church came up with the Creed, and it's not at all what most people expect.

How can I get it for free? They tell me to subscribe, I do, they say they'll send it to my inbox, they don't, I go to the page again, they tell me to subscribe.

Author:  Jack3 [ Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

Doom wrote:
Denise Dee wrote:

I agree with Doom. These forums seem to be dominated by a clique who seem more concerned with their own private humor rather than address the topics.This board is INCREDIBLY cliquey. The post padding consists of the endless repetition of the same stale jokes over and over again, jokes which I have to admit I don't understand, even though I've been here longer than any other member, and it is this cliquiness, this feeling that I am not in on the joke, that makes me feel alienated and leads me to avoid threads that devolve into post padding. It is like being back in high school, where there are the 'cool kids' who behave in a certain way in order to identify 'insiders' and 'outsiders', and I am an outsider. That's why I don't like post padding. Thank you.


There you go, that is the thing I was going for but couldn't articulate.


1. Please provide examples for threads which degenerated into post padding without answering the original question.

2. Please respond to responses to your previous comments making similar point:

You had asked, "I would love an alternative explanation for the vast decrease in traffic to this board over the last several years... What is the reason for the decrease in traffic if I'm wrong?"

You got replies:

"As already noted, very few people use discussion boards anymore. It's old internet. It's not any more complicated than a change in technology."
"<facebook>"
"[Reddit]"
"Siggy once attributed the loss of members to the blogging mania in the early 2000s."
"Message boards are quaint, olde things. I'm probably the only person in my class who participates in any message board whatsoever." Come to think of it, I'm probably the only person in my grade who knows what a message board is!


To your statement that you don't "understand the appeal of this kind of 'discussion' at all", theJack said, "People are here as much for the community as they are for answers to theological and philosophical questions. And as silly as post-padding is, the whole point is that it is silly. It's play, and people bond around play."

3. I'm relatively new here, and I didn't feel "alienated" by the "cool kids". That's my testimony.

Author:  Denise Dee [ Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

Jack3 wrote:
Doom wrote:
Denise Dee wrote:

I agree with Doom. These forums seem to be dominated by a clique who seem more concerned with their own private humor rather than address the topics.This board is INCREDIBLY cliquey. The post padding consists of the endless repetition of the same stale jokes over and over again, jokes which I have to admit I don't understand, even though I've been here longer than any other member, and it is this cliquiness, this feeling that I am not in on the joke, that makes me feel alienated and leads me to avoid threads that devolve into post padding. It is like being back in high school, where there are the 'cool kids' who behave in a certain way in order to identify 'insiders' and 'outsiders', and I am an outsider. That's why I don't like post padding. Thank you.


There you go, that is the thing I was going for but couldn't articulate.


You had asked, "I would love an alternative explanation for the vast decrease in traffic to this board over the last several years... What is the reason for the decrease in traffic if I'm wrong?"

You got replies:

"As already noted, very few people use discussion boards anymore. It's old internet. It's not any more complicated than a change in technology."
"<facebook>"
"[Reddit]"
"Siggy once attributed the loss of members to the blogging mania in the early 2000s."
"Message boards are quaint, olde things. I'm probably the only person in my class who participates in any message board whatsoever." Come to think of it, I'm probably the only person in my grade who knows what a message board is!


To your statement that you don't "understand the appeal of this kind of 'discussion' at all", theJack said, "People are here as much for the community as they are for answers to theological and philosophical questions. And as silly as post-padding is, the whole point is that it is silly. It's play, and people bond around play."

Yes Doom "got replies" but those replies to which you refer, Jack3, all suggest reasons why people are not interested in message boards and therefore don't come to these forums. But Doom was not referring to those people, he was referring to people who come here and don't "stick around". None of the replies explain why that happens.

In the Welcome And Introductions forum, I have counted that 36 new people have come here in the last 12 months. So why have so very few stuck around?

Author:  faithfulservant [ Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

1) how do you know they have not "stuck around"... they could be lurkers

2) i invite you to check the board population to see the 100s (1000s?) that have signed up for the board and made less than 5 posts

3) to get an accurate answer, i suppose you could pm all those 36 and ask them...assuming they would respond to a pm... i would bet you money the answer would NOT be as doom proposed

Author:  Denise Dee [ Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

faithfulservant wrote:
1) how do you know they have not "stuck around"... they could be lurkers

2) i invite you to check the board population to see the 100s (1000s?) that have signed up for the board and made less than 5 posts

3) to get an accurate answer, i suppose you could pm all those 36 and ask them...assuming they would respond to a pm... i would bet you money the answer would NOT be as doom proposed

1) People can lurk without signing up. Therefore people who sign up to be a member do so for reasons other than to lurk. But very few "stick around" to do what they signed up to do. They stop participating in threads very soon after their first post.

2) Yes, that's my point. Why do so few continue after going to the trouble of registering in the first place?

3) Anyone could just as easily say the opposite of what you have said.

Author:  Jack3 [ Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Trinity

Denise Dee wrote:
Jack3 wrote:
Doom wrote:
Denise Dee wrote:

I agree with Doom. These forums seem to be dominated by a clique who seem more concerned with their own private humor rather than address the topics.This board is INCREDIBLY cliquey. The post padding consists of the endless repetition of the same stale jokes over and over again, jokes which I have to admit I don't understand, even though I've been here longer than any other member, and it is this cliquiness, this feeling that I am not in on the joke, that makes me feel alienated and leads me to avoid threads that devolve into post padding. It is like being back in high school, where there are the 'cool kids' who behave in a certain way in order to identify 'insiders' and 'outsiders', and I am an outsider. That's why I don't like post padding. Thank you.


There you go, that is the thing I was going for but couldn't articulate.


You had asked, "I would love an alternative explanation for the vast decrease in traffic to this board over the last several years... What is the reason for the decrease in traffic if I'm wrong?"

You got replies:

"As already noted, very few people use discussion boards anymore. It's old internet. It's not any more complicated than a change in technology."
"<facebook>"
"[Reddit]"
"Siggy once attributed the loss of members to the blogging mania in the early 2000s."
"Message boards are quaint, olde things. I'm probably the only person in my class who participates in any message board whatsoever." Come to think of it, I'm probably the only person in my grade who knows what a message board is!


To your statement that you don't "understand the appeal of this kind of 'discussion' at all", theJack said, "People are here as much for the community as they are for answers to theological and philosophical questions. And as silly as post-padding is, the whole point is that it is silly. It's play, and people bond around play."

Yes Doom "got replies" but those replies to which you refer, Jack3, all suggest reasons why people are not interested in message boards and therefore don't come to these forums. But Doom was not referring to those people, he was referring to people who come here and don't "stick around". None of the replies explain why that happens.

In the Welcome And Introductions forum, I have counted that 36 new people have come here in the last 12 months. So why have so very few stuck around?

0. Doom asked why the traffic on the board was so low.
1. The number one reason many posters leave is probably that they never intended to stay in the first place : they had a question to ask, asked it, or made one point they wanted to make, then the whole reason why they joined got over.

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Consubstantiality

Jack3 wrote:
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:


Another book I would encourage you to read is Rod Bennett's The Apostasy that Wasn't, which you can get in electronic form for free, though I don't expect that offer to last long. It's the story of how the Church came up with the Creed, and it's not at all what most people expect.

How can I get it for free? They tell me to subscribe, I do, they say they'll send it to my inbox, they don't, I go to the page again, they tell me to subscribe.

I don't know. Since I already had it, I haven't tried to download it.

Have you checked your spam email folder?

Author:  Jack3 [ Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Consubstantiality

Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Jack3 wrote:
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:


Another book I would encourage you to read is Rod Bennett's The Apostasy that Wasn't, which you can get in electronic form for free, though I don't expect that offer to last long. It's the story of how the Church came up with the Creed, and it's not at all what most people expect.

How can I get it for free? They tell me to subscribe, I do, they say they'll send it to my inbox, they don't, I go to the page again, they tell me to subscribe.

I don't know. Since I already had it, I haven't tried to download it.

Have you checked your spam email folder?


I have got it now. Thank you.

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