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Author:  Setsurinvich [ Tue May 30, 2017 4:57 pm ]
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had accidently found a book claiming that Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Typhro 's chapter 80 was edited deceptively, the text reads

" I am not so miserable a fellow, Trypho, as to say one thing and think another. I admitted to you formerly, that I and many others are of this opinion, and [believe] that such will take place, as you assuredly are aware; but, on the other hand, I signified to you that many who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise. "

Chapter 80

But I found a book that claims an extra "not" was removed from this statement, that it originally claimed those that do NOT belong to the pure and pious father think otherwise. This there ANY truth to this statement?? Or was this a conspiracy without evidence?

I found it in this book pages 52-54

https://books.google.ca/books?id=ybw0AA ... yn&f=false

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Tue May 30, 2017 5:37 pm ]
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I've never heard of the theory. If he doesn't have manuscript evidence, then I'd say it's a(n) hypothesis without support.

Author:  Setsurinvich [ Tue May 30, 2017 5:44 pm ]
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Well you heard it now! He claims his friend saw the manuscripts and they are all from the 17th cneutry. Does anyone know how old the oldest existing works from Justin martyr are?

Author:  Mrs. Timmy [ Tue May 30, 2017 5:56 pm ]
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Setsurinvich wrote:
Well you heard it now! He claims his friend saw the manuscripts and they are all from the 17th cneutry. Does anyone know how old the oldest existing works from Justin martyr are?


Well, considering that's roughly 1500 years after St. Justin Martyr's death, I still have doubts that those manuscripts, even if they are from the 1600's, would pass scrutiny.

On a side note, when you said you wanted history experts, you weren't kidding, were ya? :shock: :shock: :shock: I must admit that your topics, while interesting, are far outside my areas of expertise. It'll be interesting to see what comes of these discussions, though.

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Tue May 30, 2017 6:23 pm ]
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http://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/2013 ... in-martyr/

That is with respect to the apologies, but interesting nonetheless. I doubt too many people in the world can tell you what the oldest manuscript of the Dialogue is without Googling, and I am not one of them.

Author:  Setsurinvich [ Tue May 30, 2017 9:09 pm ]
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its okay there is literally just one person who is making such an assertion, and he is saying "a friend of mine..." Also if we put the word "not" between "good and pious" Christians the statement would make LESS sense or at least it seems to me

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Tue May 30, 2017 9:18 pm ]
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Come to think of it, Roger Pearse is probably one of the few people who could answer that question for you. I don't know if he answers his emails, though.

Author:  Setsurinvich [ Wed May 31, 2017 12:59 pm ]
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I had contacted him and got some interesting answers from others on other Catholic foruma

Author:  Mrs. Timmy [ Wed May 31, 2017 4:26 pm ]
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Setsurinvich wrote:
... other Catholic foruma

:shock: :shock: :shock: :swoon

Author:  TreeBeard [ Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:30 pm ]
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I have The Ante-Nicene Fathers: Translations of The Writings of the Fathers down to A.D. 325, edited by Roberts and Donaldson (The Christian Literature Publishing Company, 1885). -- A gift from my grandfather via my uncle. -- It is a Protestant publisher that makes every effort in the foot notes to explain away what appear to be “essentially equivalent” references to the Catholic Church.

The footnotes for Chapter 80 make no mention of an extra “not” that was subsequently removed. Given the anti-Catholic bias of the edition I have, I would think they would - if it were a credible citation – use it.

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