RCs here, does the Bellarmine statement qualify as infallible, by the rules? I got my opinion.
And tell me what says the papacy is divine? And, based on your past performance, what to you mean by divine?
Hi GKC. Bellarmine is not the pope, hence not infallible. But he is making a claim that the scripture is inviolable. He says dismissing the geocentric theory would be as rejecting the virgin birth, that they are exact truths. This just goes to show the history of making unsupported claims, in the face of evidence, and then revising them later. As a representative of the Church then, this is part of Catholic history of making and enforcing statements in strong ways and then revising them decades or centuries after conclusive evidence has come down. A flaw, I would say, though correction is of course preferable to tradition in light of new evidence.
What says the papacy is divine? Honestly, I have heard this claim my whole life, from books, movies, Catholics and non-Catholics. I heard the claim made by an archbishop in debate. A quick look at wikipedia refers me to the First Vatican Council in the mid 19th century.
"The infallible teachings of the Pope are part of the Sacred Magisterium, which also consists of ecumenical councils and the "ordinary and universal magisterium". In Catholic theology, papal infallibility is one of the channels of the infallibility of the Church. The infallible teachings of the Pope must be based on, or at least not contradict, Sacred Tradition or Sacred Scripture. Papal infallibility does not signify that the Pope is impeccable, i.e.., that he is specially exempt from liability to sin."
The distinction between infallibility and impeccability is intriguing to me. Perhaps you can put it in a clearer context, GXC.
Do you think the Pope is infallible? Does he make mistakes?
Does he have a special connection with God or Jesus?
Do all priests have a special connection with God or Jesus?
I'd be curious about your responses.
I suspect you need a grounding in the Ordinary and the Extraordinary Magisterium, as a start.
And you are saying that the wiki-quote, in your mind, supports your assertion that the Papacy is divine? And what is your definition of divine again? And what is an infallible teaching of a Pope? Movies, friends, extra, who cares. Give me a source. I do like sources.
And what is your understanding of the concept of degrees of theological certainly, as discussed, for example, in Ott's FUNDAMENTALS OF CATHOLIC DOGMA?
I kinda like your list of questions.
1a. No. 1b. Yes.
2a. Yes. 2b. Yes.
If you hear subdued snickering in the background, while looking over the answers to your questions, most here will know why.