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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:46 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
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Does Protestant have a list of their infallible teachings?

Some would say, "all that is written in the bible is infallible teachings." But there are many things in the bible that Protestant don't really follow, such as the injunction for women to cover their head while in the Church.


So, when a Protestant asks "give me your official list of infallible teachings," a Catholic should response, "after you give yours."


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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:00 am 
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Does Protestant have a list of their infallible teachings?

Some would say, "all that is written in the bible is infallible teachings."

You are correct. It is the Bible.
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But there are many things in the bible that Protestant don't really follow, such as the injunction for women to cover their head while in the Church.

What is the text saying? In context, that passage is a reference to a woman submitting. The actual head covering is secondary. Your church does teach that women cannot be clergy.
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So, when a Protestant asks "give me your official list of infallible teachings," a Catholic should response, "after you give yours."


Here you go:

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We don't claim to have a supreme leader claiming infallibility. So we are not so arrogant as to believe we have an "official list of infallible teachings"


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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:12 am 
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And yet you are standing there (metaphorically) telling us that we are wrong, all the while professing to believe a faith that apparently contains no definitive content whatsoever.


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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:43 am 
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And yet you are standing there (metaphorically) telling us that we are wrong, all the while professing to believe a faith that apparently contains no definitive content whatsoever.


Just like you are metaphorically standing there telling me I'm wrong...all the while professing to believe in a church...while being unable to show me any reason to believe they contain the whole of truth. I don't need an infallible source to prove the point that your church has violated the Word of God. It's evident to anyone.


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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:49 am 
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I gave you the outline of an argument for believing, so I definitely have given you a reason.

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I don't need an infallible source to prove the point that your church has violated the Word of God. It's evident to anyone.
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.

I don't need an infallible source to point out that we have not, in fact, violated the Word of God. It's evident to anyone.

Two can play that game. It's pointless. :fyi:


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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
I gave you the outline of an argument for believing, so I definitely have given you a reason.

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I don't need an infallible source to prove the point that your church has violated the Word of God. It's evident to anyone.
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.

I don't need an infallible source to point out that we have not, in fact, violated the Word of God. It's evident to anyone.

Two can play that game. It's pointless. :fyi:

So why again should I believe your church is worth listening to?


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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:57 am 
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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:58 am 
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So why again should I believe your church is worth listening to?



The Church certainly has better credentials than you.


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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:37 pm 
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Calvinist wrote:
So why again should I believe your church is worth listening to?



The Church certainly has better credentials than you.

Does it? I read the inspired Word of God.


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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:39 pm 
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What faith (what Church did they belong to) were the men who were led by God to assemble the Bible?

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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:42 pm 
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Calvinist wrote:
Doom wrote:
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So why again should I believe your church is worth listening to?



The Church certainly has better credentials than you.

Does it? I read the inspired Word of God.


as do many..and should they disagree with you as to what the inspired Word of God says...how do you know who, if anyone, is correct?


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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:44 pm 
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So why again should I believe your church is worth listening to?



The Church certainly has better credentials than you.

Does it? I read the inspired Word of God.



Wow, you read the Bible...so you've successfully graduated junior high, I'm impressed..where do I sign up to join your church Your Holiness?


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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 1:37 pm 
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Calvinist wrote:
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So why again should I believe your church is worth listening to?



The Church certainly has better credentials than you.

Does it? I read the inspired Word of God.


And how exactly did that truncated mistranslated version of the Word of God get into your hands?


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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 4:15 pm 
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
http://forums.catholic-convert.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=141836&p=2350725&hilit=knox#p2350725

Wow. He's ignoring it here, too.


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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:37 pm 
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Calvinist wrote:
beng wrote:
Does Protestant have a list of their infallible teachings?

Some would say, "all that is written in the bible is infallible teachings."

You are correct. It is the Bible.
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But there are many things in the bible that Protestant don't really follow, such as the injunction for women to cover their head while in the Church.

What is the text saying? In context, that passage is a reference to a woman submitting. The actual head covering is secondary. Your church does teach that women cannot be clergy.


Surely you jest:


    1Cor 11:5-7,10,13-16
    5* but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head--it is the same as if her head were shaven. 6 For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. 7* For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. ... 10 That is why a woman ought to have a veil * on her head, because of the angels. ... 13 Judge for yourselves; is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not nature itself teach you that for a man to wear long hair is degrading to him, 15 but if a woman has long hair, it is her pride? For her hair is given to her for a covering. 16* If any one is disposed to be contentious, we recognize no other practice, nor do the churches of God.

It's not only submission which is due to woman, but a practice of the churches of God.

Many Protestant never reflect on this scripture passage. They sidestepped using vain argument and continue with their man-made tradition (that is, allowing their women to not cover their head, or worst, having a very short hair). The bible is very clear on this.

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We don't claim to have a supreme leader claiming infallibility. So we are not so arrogant as to believe we have an "official list of infallible teachings"


Infallibility does not come solely with having a supreme leader claiming infallibility. You said it yourselves that you have the bible as the infallible rule.


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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:00 pm 
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Calvinist wrote:
Doom wrote:
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So why again should I believe your church is worth listening to?



The Church certainly has better credentials than you.

Does it? I read the inspired Word of God.


as do many..and should they disagree with you as to what the inspired Word of God says...how do you know who, if anyone, is correct?



Calvinist, answer this question.

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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
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Oh oh, the red writings been broken out!

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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
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Jerome_2 wrote:
Oh oh, the red writings been broken out!

:nunchaku


Yep. :siggy




RUBRICS! :troll

Man, I'm loosening up.


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 Post subject: Re: ex cathedra statements
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:05 am 
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RUBRICS! :troll

Man, I'm loosening up.

This could be the start of a dangerous line of development. Pretty soon, you might find yourself posting pictures of puppies.


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