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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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Ok. How about this: Prove using Scripture Alone that the Book of Esther is an inspired writing.

Same strawman, different book.

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How about this: why don't we stick to the original question I posited earlier on this thread? I am in the process of writing out the article; it'd be nice to finish up.

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haparker321 wrote:
pax wrote:
Ok. How about this: Prove using Scripture Alone that the Book of Esther is an inspired writing.

Same strawman, different book.

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Please expalin.


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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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haparker321 wrote:
How about this: why don't we stick to the original question I posited earlier on this thread? I am in the process of writing out the article; it'd be nice to finish up.

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I answered your question. Ergo, I think it only fair that you answer mine.


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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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pax wrote:
Please expalin.

Sola Scriptura has been accurately defined by many different denominations as using the Scriptures as the rule of faith, meaning that it's used for interpretative and educational means for the believer. Though what I am saying is not exhaustive, it's Sola Scriptura in a nutshell. What you're trying to claim is that Sola Scriptura is to be used to authenticate the inspiration of the canon, something which neither I nor the Reformers ever claimed our doctrine could do. If you are going to counter this arguement, then you might want to find an official teaching of any traditionally conservative Protestant denomination and prove it. I suggest you start with the Chicago Statement on Biblbical Inerrancy.

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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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Sola Scriptura has been accurately defined by many different denominations as using the Scriptures as the rule of faith, meaning that it's used for interpretative and educational means for the believer.


I know that. But you must have grist before you can grind. You must actually have Scripture before you can interpret Scripture. Therefore, before we discuss how to effectively use Scripture, let us first discuss how we identify beyond all doubt exactly what Scriptures we will be using. In a nutshell, let us start at the beginning.


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pax wrote:
I know that. But you must have grist before you can grind. You must actually have Scripture before you can interpret Scripture. Therefore, before we discuss how to effectively use Scripture, let us first discuss how we identify beyond all doubt exactly what Scriptures we will be using. In a nutshell, let us start at the beginning.

OK, then let's make one thing clear: if Sola Scriptura entails about the interpretation of Scripture, why then, are you insisting that Sola Scriptura ought to produce its canon when we both know that the teaching never made such a claim?

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haparker321 wrote:
pax wrote:
I know that. But you must have grist before you can grind. You must actually have Scripture before you can interpret Scripture. Therefore, before we discuss how to effectively use Scripture, let us first discuss how we identify beyond all doubt exactly what Scriptures we will be using. In a nutshell, let us start at the beginning.

OK, then let's make one thing clear: if Sola Scriptura entails about the interpretation of Scripture, why then, are you insisting that Sola Scriptura ought to produce its canon when we both know that the teaching never made such a claim?

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Sola Scriptura has been accurately defined by many different denominations as using the Scriptures as the rule of faith,

Are the contents of the Bible not a part of "the rule of faith"?


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haparker321 wrote:
pax wrote:
I know that. But you must have grist before you can grind. You must actually have Scripture before you can interpret Scripture. Therefore, before we discuss how to effectively use Scripture, let us first discuss how we identify beyond all doubt exactly what Scriptures we will be using. In a nutshell, let us start at the beginning.

OK, then let's make one thing clear: if Sola Scriptura entails about the interpretation of Scripture, why then, are you insisting that Sola Scriptura ought to produce its canon when we both know that the teaching never made such a claim?

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Sola Scriptura has been accurately defined by many different denominations as using the Scriptures as the rule of faith,

Are the contents of the Bible not a part of "the rule of faith"?


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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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haparker321 wrote:
pax wrote:
I know that. But you must have grist before you can grind. You must actually have Scripture before you can interpret Scripture. Therefore, before we discuss how to effectively use Scripture, let us first discuss how we identify beyond all doubt exactly what Scriptures we will be using. In a nutshell, let us start at the beginning.

OK, then let's make one thing clear: if Sola Scriptura entails about the interpretation of Scripture, why then, are you insisting that Sola Scriptura ought to produce its canon when we both know that the teaching never made such a claim?

Parker


Sola Scriptura has been accurately defined by many different denominations as using the Scriptures as the rule of faith,

Are the contents of the Bible not a part of "the rule of faith"?


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pax wrote:
Are the contents of the Bible not a part of "the rule of faith"?

Do you know what's meant by 'rule of faith'?

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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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haparker321 wrote:
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Are the contents of the Bible not a part of "the rule of faith"?

Do you know what's meant by 'rule of faith'?

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I am under the impression that it means every doctrine proposed is to be tested against Scripture.

Ergo, the contents of Scripture are infinitely important to this "rule of faith" thingy.


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You, Sir, are a glutton for punishment. But keep at it.


I am also a glutton for a good roast beef dinner and copious amounts of wine.


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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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I am under the impression that it means every doctrine proposed is to be tested against Scripture.

Ergo, the contents of Scripture are infinitely important to this "rule of faith" thingy.

I think you ought to look into the topic of Sola Scriptura before rattling your mouth against something you don't have an entire clue. So much for lecturing me on the topic; now it's my turn.

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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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haparker321 wrote:
pax wrote:
I am under the impression that it means every doctrine proposed is to be tested against Scripture.

Ergo, the contents of Scripture are infinitely important to this "rule of faith" thingy.

I think you ought to look into the topic of Sola Scriptura before rattling your mouth against something you don't have an entire clue. So much for lecturing me on the topic; now it's my turn.

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Definition: Sola Scriptura -- This Protestant doctrine says that scripture alone is the primary and absolute source of authority, the final court of appeal, for all doctrine and practice. It holds that the Bible is infallible, that it is sufficient, and that it is clear.


If you have a more authoritative source, I would be pleased to study it.


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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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Click here for an article on Sola Scriptura that is historically inaccurate, makes circular arguments, and is divested of critical thinking.


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