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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
PostPosted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:13 am 
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Has Parker gone bye-bye?
One can only hope.


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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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pax wrote:
Has Parker gone bye-bye?


I'm sure... like so many before.


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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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E's not gone. E's resting. E's all tired and shagged out after eating turkey all day.


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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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E's not gone. E's resting. E's all tired and shagged out after eating turkey all day.


No. E's gone. The questions were just too difficult for him to answer.


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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:28 pm 
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You are not grasping this Parker.

I get it, I don't agree with you.

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Both of these statements are true:

Sacred Tradition is a necessary component of the Deposit of Faith.

Sacred Scripture is a necessary component of the Deposit of Faith.

Again, my argument against the Catholic notion of this is that you do not have any scriptural or historical evidences that defines tradition just as you have described.

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The Deposit of Faith is the entire teaching of the New Covenant delivered to the Apostles by the mouth of Our Lord Himself.

I am not disagreeing about what the deposit of faith, but what it entails does not seem to be defined by history or scripture.

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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:42 pm 
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If I am absent a while it could be for the following things:

(1) I am working at my job.
(2) I am blogging.
(3) I am working on my book.
(4) I am involved at Church.
(5) I am doing research.

Take your pick.

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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:30 am 
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(5) I am doing research.


Are you researching the Deposit of Faith?


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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:53 pm 
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(5) I am doing research.


Are you researching the Deposit of Faith?


It's not on the top of my list because I write books, make reviews, and working on a business plan. Nevertheless, as I have seen this with the other post you still have not answered the objective questions I asked.

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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:04 pm 
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You are not grasping this Parker.

I get it, I don't agree with you.

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Both of these statements are true:

Sacred Tradition is a necessary component of the Deposit of Faith.

Sacred Scripture is a necessary component of the Deposit of Faith.

Again, my argument against the Catholic notion of this is that you do not have any scriptural or historical evidences that defines tradition just as you have described.

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The Deposit of Faith is the entire teaching of the New Covenant delivered to the Apostles by the mouth of Our Lord Himself.

I am not disagreeing about what the deposit of faith, but what it entails does not seem to be defined by history or scripture.

Parker


What history are you reading? There were Christians between the years 95 and 1517.


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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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What history are you reading? There were Christians between the years 95 and 1517.

I want some concrete quotes that define tradition just as the Roman Catholic Church has defined it. So far, you have not cited a single source to back this claim up.

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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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You aren't in a position to make demands seeing as how you have failed to answer questions yourself, as well as failing to document your own claims.

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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:05 pm 
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haparker321 wrote:
pax wrote:
What history are you reading? There were Christians between the years 95 and 1517.

I want some concrete quotes that define tradition just as the Roman Catholic Church has defined it. So far, you have not cited a single source to back this claim up.

Parker


http://www.anastasis.org.uk/lit-james.htm

http://www.ocf.org/OrthodoxPage/liturgy/liturgy.html

http://www.scribd.com/doc/50473174/Brie ... St-Ambrose

Three liturgies from the ancient Church, celebrated by Christians all over the world.

Note how there is a priest, and how there is a sacrifice, and how that sacrifice is Christ Himself.


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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:06 am 
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pax wrote:
Note how there is a priest, and how there is a sacrifice, and how that sacrifice is Christ Himself.


I'm talking about Early Church Fathers, not a liturgical documents. Specifically, I'm talking about commentaries, catechisms, church documents. Ante-Nicean councils, preferably.

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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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haparker321 wrote:
pax wrote:
Note how there is a priest, and how there is a sacrifice, and how that sacrifice is Christ Himself.


I'm talking about Early Church Fathers, not a liturgical documents. Specifically, I'm talking about commentaries, catechisms, church documents. Ante-Nicean councils, preferably.

Parker


So, having been shown that the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass existed from the most ancient times, you now switch oars and ask for a different stream.


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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:45 pm 
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pax wrote:
haparker321 wrote:
pax wrote:
Note how there is a priest, and how there is a sacrifice, and how that sacrifice is Christ Himself.


I'm talking about Early Church Fathers, not a liturgical documents. Specifically, I'm talking about commentaries, catechisms, church documents. Ante-Nicean councils, preferably.

Parker



Pax,

Don't play games here; we both know what I'm looking for. You should not be using the 'Sacrifice of the Mass' as proof for traditional definitions.

Parker


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 Post subject: Re: Parker -- You and Me and Sola Scriptura
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haparker321 wrote:
You should not be using the 'Sacrifice of the Mass' as proof for traditional definitions.


Au contraire, mon frere! The Last Supper is plastered all over the Scriptures. How did the early Church understand this Last Supper? As a Sacrifice. Not a meal. A Sacrifice.


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