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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:46 pm 
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Greetings,

I was just at an indult parish website that uses the Tridentine rite with permission. I noticed they had a mass on Saturday evening in anticipation. Since I am to young to remember, please correct me if I am wrong: I thought there were not masses on Saturday evening before the Second Vatican Council. I thought that in the old rite all masses had to be done on Sunday. Am I wrong?

If I am not wrong, then isn't the liturgical time part of the liturgical rite? Shouldn't all the masses in the Tridentine rite for Sunday be done on Sunday? Or if I am wrong, then Yeah, I learned something new.

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I assume (though could easily be wrong) that there were masses on Sat night pre Vat II but they did not fulfill your Sunday obligation. IME, the majority of families that assist at TLM do not go on Sat night to fulfill their Sunday obligation.

I have run across Indults only being allowed to be celebrated on Sat evenings and with a fairly traditional population that prefers to attend on Sundays, attendance was poor thereby giving the ordinary the excuse to do away with the Indult TLM because not enough people were interested. :roll:

I've never thought about liturgical rite/liturgical time connection.

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Up until some time in the mid-20th century, a Mass could not be started after noon with the exception of the Chrism Mass on Holy Thursday and the Easter Vigil. I do not know the timing of the change of that rule with respect to the promulgation of the 1962 Missal or the rite of Paul VI.

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IIRC, the Saturday evening vigil was instituted for Easter by Pius XII. IOW, he instituted it just for Easter vigil. I think it took off from there, but I can't remember any specific details as when it become more widespread.

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TP wrote:
Greetings,

I was just at an indult parish website that uses the Tridentine rite with permission. I noticed they had a mass on Saturday evening in anticipation. Since I am to young to remember, please correct me if I am wrong: I thought there were not masses on Saturday evening before the Second Vatican Council. I thought that in the old rite all masses had to be done on Sunday. Am I wrong?

If I am not wrong, then isn't the liturgical time part of the liturgical rite? Shouldn't all the masses in the Tridentine rite for Sunday be done on Sunday? Or if I am wrong, then Yeah, I learned something new.

peace


That would be correct. There was no Saturday evening Mass except for Christmas (and Easter, but I don't ever remember going to an Easter vigil Mass).

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Well how could you have an evening mass, when the eucharistic fast started at midnight? I remember hearing about some Catholic Broadway actors who used to get finished with their last show late at night and go to Sunday mass at (or after?) midnight to fulfil their obligation. But those masses would have been on Sunday, technically.

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The other thing is, going to Mass on Saturday just messes me up. Sundays don't feel right at all.

But we have to go sometimes so that we can go to Confession :(

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