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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:01 am 
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This morning at Mass, our priest announced that he and the Liturgical Committee had come up with a change in the Mass that he would be introducing next week in Advent.

We will now ALL bow during the Incarnation in the Creed!!
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Up until now, I think that it was only me and a few others scattered through the congregation that did it. I am so happy!!! :D

I really love our new priest. He has been with us since July. The changes he is making he just kinda sneaks in one at a time, nothing drastic all at once. All of the changes have been great (such as the availability confession prior to all Mass times, Exposition of Blessed Sacrament before all daily Masses, dress code for alter servers, ect.) He is just great! :D

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YEAH!!!!

I wish that would happen here, as it is now very few make any sign during the Incarnation.

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Yes! I am tickled for you too! It tends to drive me crazy that no one else bows during the incarnation. Not even the majority of the priests.

That's a brilliant method of correcting things your priest has. Too many faithful priests have come in with righteous anger at how things have been done incorrectly and attempted sweeping changes that were too difficult for people to handle. Slow and steady wins the race. Especially if he teaches the "why".

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That's wonderful news. I wish our Liturgical Committee was less liberal.

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Even though our priest technically initiated that in our parish last week, it's still very few of us who actually do the bowing.

It's a long road, I think.

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Fortunately, my parish seems to go with the flow. No one seemed put out with the news at all.

I have a feeling it will stick. :D

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They told everyone about this several months ago diocese wide and it is ignored by most, even the priests ... and they told everyone.

They also sent out a flyer which was supposed to go in all church bullitens discouraging hand holding during the Our Father. That was promptly ignored. In fact, it was not sent out at most churches in the diocese.

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OH MY GOODNESS...Patently IGNORED???

Um, which diocese are you in (so I can remember not to move there any time soon).

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We do a "wayne's world" guitar riff.

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Fortunately, my parish seems to go with the flow. No one seemed put out with the news at all.

I have a feeling it will stick. :D


and don't forget that on the Solemnity of the Birth of our Lord, that bow should turn into a genuflection... :wink:

for 20000 quatloos, alex, what is the only other day in the liturgical year that this is a requirement? :D

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Hmmm...Annunciation?

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BINGO! kinda makes sense considering the "event" doesn't it?

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Yes indeed!

Oh - quick question...does GIRM call for a "slight bow" or a "profound bow" for the incarnation all other times?

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you're gonna make me look huh?

i just follow the lead of the priest and deacon... which is certainly more than a nod of the head, but definitely not a profound bow... i really don't think it says... but this sounds like it would be a topic for the new forum anyway :D

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well there ya go ... i'm wrong again :oops: :roll:

from http://www.usccb.org/liturgy/current/ch ... html#sect4

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275. A bow signifies reverence and honor shown to the persons themselves or to the signs that represent them. There are two kinds of bows: a bow of the head and a bow of the body.



A bow of the head is made when the three Divine Persons are named together and at the names of Jesus, of the Blessed Virgin Mary, and of the Saint in whose honor Mass is being celebrated.

A bow of the body, that is to say a profound bow, is made to the altar; during the prayers Munda cor meum (Almighty God, cleanse my heart) and In spiritu humilitatis (Lord God, we ask you to receive); in the Creed at the words Et incarnatus est (by the power of the Holy Spirit . . . made man); in the Roman Canon at the words Supplices te rogamus (Almighty God, we pray that your angel). The same kind of bow is made by the deacon when he asks for a blessing before the proclamation of the Gospel. In addition, the priest bows slightly as he speaks the words of the Lord at the consecration.



and from http://www.usccb.org/liturgy/girm/bul3.shtml

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In the Creed we are invited to bow at the words which commemorate the Incarnation: by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary and became man. This gesture signifies our profound respect and gratitude to Christ who, though God, did not hesitate to come among us as a human being, sharing our human condition in order to save us from sin and restore us to friendship with God. This gratitude is expressed with even greater solemnity on the Feast of the Annunciation of the Lord and on Christmas when we genuflect at these words.

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Thanks for looking that up! You are the coolest!

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8-) my pleasure 8-)

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Old habits die hard. It was initiated in our diocese over two years ago. In addition we are to bow when we are in line, about to receive Communion. I was filling in as sub for 4th grade religious education class while the teacher was on maternity leave. We teachers went over the numerous changes with the kids and the priest covered it over time, during Mass--and it caught on for a couple of months, but now everything is back to the way it was. I have to say the kids held out longer before going back to the routine of their parents.

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so do you think it is apathy , disobedience, or forgetfulness?

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