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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:18 pm 
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Now here's something novel.

I had to check twice to make sure it wasn't an Episcopal Church.


:shock: I thought our parish had issues :shock:

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This is appauling, and that's an understanding. :shock: Couldn't they have had the "party" afterwards? In addition, I find it insulting for a "demon" passing out my Lord. Simply disgraceful.

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My calendar says that Sunday, November 26 is Christ the King feastday.


I had a sneaking suspicion that maybe it had been moved.

I'm looking at my calendar printed by "those schismatic SSPXers"


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OK call me ET.... BUT.... Why is that allowed? I really am sorry but I am totally flamuked (is that a word ?) here. A witch cantor? A devil giving out The Eucharist? and a Priest who first thinks he is on Saturday Night Live then switches to Cartoon Network? What is the matter with all those parishioners, they didn't think something was amiss here? Wow I need to call home, or somebody needs to call somebody, because somebody or a whole flock of somebodies are surely running amok. :rant

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Get this - I forwarded the youtube link to the pastor of the church. let's see if he responds...

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GOOD MOVE SPARKY!!! Can't wait to hear the response, but... I'm betting he doesn't respond at all...


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Get this - I forwarded the youtube link to the pastor of the church. let's see if he responds...

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Signum Crucis wrote:
My calendar says that Sunday, November 26 is Christ the King feastday.


I had a sneaking suspicion that maybe it had been moved.

I'm looking at my calendar printed by "those schismatic SSPXers"


Yes, the Feast Day of Christ the King has been moved from the last Sunday of October to the last Sunday before Advent. The Calendar was reformed after the Second Vatican Council.

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See, this really gets confusing when you go to a parish with a TLM and a couple of NO masses.....sheesh. Fr really has his hands full.

But at least there were NO shenanigans like THAT tripe!!

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I felt like I was watching a nightmare!


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Okay, I got a letter back from the priest who said, "thank you for being kind" because I just sent him the link and told him it was not favorable. However, looking at the site I saw a new registrant who I believe might be him. However, having received email reply from him, I wrote him this:

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Ya know, Father - I'm going to be honest. I'm a New Yorker. We tend to be honest to a fault. But I am also a very kind person (really! I am!), and I'm genuinely constructive when I give criticism. So if I may be constructive here, let me say this: I would never have remained at such a mass myself, because I feel it lacked the dignity required for the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist (we are present at calvary, after all).

**HOWEVER!!!**--if you must have such a mass because its become a parish tradition (i.e. your parishoners will get bent out of shape if you don't do it next year) - maybe ask that everyone come dressed as their favorite saint so that it is properly framed in the context of the true holiday involved - All Saints Day! Make it a children's mass--so that children can learn about the saints and the communion of saints, which is the real reason for this holiday, no? I mean - imagine a kid dressed as a roman centurion with arrows in him (St. Sebastian) or another kid dressed as a Hebrew carrying a paper mache rock with bandages all over him (St. Stephen). They could do Old Testament figures, New Testament figures, and even angels. (Let's hope no one comes as Adam and Eve... hmmm...) But you get the point. Forget about dressing as Barney or Dracula. Don't get out of your vestments--wear them, because you are _in persona Christi_ (can't make a better persona than that--what an opportunity for education on that point!). Make it a real church holiday, celebrating the rich, faithful history of the church, and make it for kids. Then have an All Saints party afterward for the kids, and give a prize for the most "faithful" saints costume.

I hope you don't take my comments as an attack. They aren't meant to be. I do understand what you were trying to do. But I think the dignity of the mass was lost, and I think that's what the youtubers are protesting. Framed in the proper context, an idea like this might do a lot better next time around.


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Oh - here are the comments that I believe are his on youtube:

encinitas25 (12 hours ago) [this user registered after I sent the email, that's why I think it's him:

Apagesatanas2 (I'm not sure why your user name contains the word Satan), did you know that until pews were invented in the Middle Ages, Catholics milled around and even brought animals to your pre-1962 Masses? Better report that to the apostolic nuncio too. You talk a lot about obedience to the Magisterium and papal authority but you sound like the ultimate "cafeteria Catholic" in rejecting Vatican II directives on Mass.

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If the Vatican II directives included dressing as demons while they distributed communion or as pagans as they sang the psalm, I'd reject them, too. What happened to respecting the real reason for the holiday - All Saints Day? Hmm? This is so lacking in dignity and respect for the real presence in the Eucharist, I would have walked out.

Oh, and btw, I'm not a traditionalist. I'm a life-long attendee of the Paul VI mass. But this would have turned me right off.

Oh, and I should add: even bringing animals to mass, I'm betting medieval mass attendees would never dream of dressing as a demon or witch at mass. Something tells me they had more dignity than that.

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That letter is excellent Ann good for you, :clap:

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Well...gotta short response from him. It may have worked, may not have.

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Thanks...I've always enjoyed New Yorkers, must be that my family is from
Albany. FKB


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I guess if he's being positive, I think he may take my constructive criticism under advisement. I had to be nice to get a response. Here's to hoping the honey worked for the fly.
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Hopefully he sees what we see when we view that videotape and will stop the practice of wearing costumes for Halloween during Mass. The Mass shouldn't be trivialized in such a fashion. It robs it of it's solemnity and Mystery.

As far as VII comment goes, I highly doubt there is a passage that speaks of dressing up for Halloween as demons and witches while celebrating Mass. In fact, I bet if I checked GIRM I wouldn't find anything there either.

Unfortunately, this tape is out there now and will be for a long, long time.

By the way, Sparky, what does Apagesatanas mean?

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By the way, Sparky, what does Apagesatanas mean?


No clue, that's another user on youtube that he's addressing.
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Wow! Have you guys read all the youtube comments? Looks like Father might of told people in his parish cuz they're all jumping on there to defend their actions. Holy cow!

I put a few of my one in there, too.
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Yep Ann I also wrote a few and I just got a letter back in my e mail from one of his parisioners.
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Message: From the viewpoint of a young adult, as a young adult myself, I do not understand the misconduct taken place. I have fully understood the parts of mass and catholic teachings. The crime, as I see it, is wearing costumes to church on post weekend before Halloween. As I have read it, the problem is the “wearing of the costumes” goes against certain rules of conduct during a mass, the disrespect to Jesus Christ, and the concern of the children’s welfare.

I see the “wearing of the costumes” as a symbol of togetherness and homeliness. On that day, being there myself, I felt happy to know that we are participating in our traditions we have created as a community together. I, once a kid and now of mind, look back at these merry events as joyful jovial times. How could we have been distracted? We were children naturally we were indifferent of adult things, in this situation, being the mass.

However, as a kid, you cannot say that seeing parishioners in costumes, would at least slightly peak an interest into what was happening and more into of the mass. I was a kid, and I did not feel these traditions are wrong. I have been to other churches, so I cannot say I grew up with these traditions, but I knew much of my faith to know that this was a special tradition only my church does that others do not.

As stated before, this tradition brought togetherness and homeliness of a community encouraging activeness and teamwork. Actively, I volunteer at this church, volunteer at a hospital (which is remaining anonymous), and take active roles in school. Many other young parishioners do the same, may it be a few babysitting to singing and helping seniors or toddlers, making the community better.

Jesus Christ did the ultimate sacrifice, how could ignore this? We would never disgrace Jesus, who died on the cross for us. He did it so we may live. No one can ignore that. I felt that our costumes did not disrespect him, but represented him. Jesus most of all knows the importance of community. I felt the costumes brought a sense of that community. Fr. Fred is a good man, he has asked the bishop upon this very issue, and he has taken the blame and responsibility.


However, never did I lose track of the word of God with Fr. Fred. He preached with a new flair that caught the audience’s attention so that they may fully understand the teachings. There are many Catholic sects: Christian, Protestants, Mormons, etc. their reason of their denomination is an issue of religious teachings, not how it was taught. The “wearing of the costumes” is a special tradition special to our church. Like many other churches have special traditions special to them.

I as a young adult did not find fault in the wearing of costumes on post Sunday of Halloween; with an open mind, I hope you respect my statement.
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That was it, I did not reply to it yet.

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Well, be kind in reply, because this kid genuinely doesn't know any better. The purpose is to instruct, remember that.
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