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 Post subject: Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott???
PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:59 am 
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Can Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott be sung at a Catholic church? Is there really anything Protestant about the hymn in itself (I mean, other than it being used by Protestants).
They sing it on the Sunday when they celebrate the "Reformation". But I don't find this tune being about celebrating evil.


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Can Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott be sung at a Catholic church? Is there really anything Protestant about the hymn in itself (I mean, other than it being used by Protestants).
They sing it on the Sunday when they celebrate the "Reformation". But I don't find this tune being about celebrating evil.

Most here would know it as A Mighty Fortress is Our God

I can't say it's absolutely forbidden. The lyrics are, at least in the translation I know, unobjectionable. One may point ought that hymnody should not displace higher forms, but that is a tangential issue.

The only issue may be perception... Were a Catholic Church to use it on Oct 31, e.g

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As PED notes, it's not forbidden, and it is not the hymn itself that is (usually) the problem when people object to it. It's what the hymn is associated with. It may be the hymn most associated with Martin Luther and with the Protestant "Reformation" (I'd have a hard time nominating another one) and that makes some people not like it.

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A Night Mighty Fortress is Our God


As PED notes, it's not forbidden, and it is not the hymn itself that is (usually) the problem when people object to it. It's what the hymn is associated with. It may be the hymn most associated with Martin Luther and with the Protestant "Reformation" (I'd have a hard time nominating another one) and that makes some people not like it.

My new tablet has an evil autocorrect. It changed were to www and www to was and mighty to night.

I thought it would, perhaps, learn. But many faux pas (it changed that to days pad, and days it changed to date)

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Pro Ecclesia Dei wrote:
ingenting wrote:
Can Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott be sung at a Catholic church? Is there really anything Protestant about the hymn in itself (I mean, other than it being used by Protestants).
They sing it on the Sunday when they celebrate the "Reformation". But I don't find this tune being about celebrating evil.

Most here would know it as A Mighty Fortress is Our God

I can't say it's absolutely forbidden. The lyrics are, at least in the translation I know, unobjectionable. One may point ought that hymnody should not displace higher forms, but that is a tangential issue.

The only issue may be perception... Were a Catholic Church to use it on Oct 31, e.g

I know it as Vår Gud är oss en väldig borg.
Why is this the anthem of Protestantism? It was even used in Protestant warfare....but why?
Why did Lurher chose this hymn?

What does "hymnody should not displace higher forms" mean?

Why not play/sing it on October 31 and tell people that the real Reformation was done in the Church at the Council of Trent. That was the the real Reformation, right?


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Luther wrote the words.

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Why did Lurher chose this hymn?
He wrote it.

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 Post subject: Re: Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott???
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ingenting wrote:
What does "hymnody should not displace higher forms" mean?

TL; DR the official music of the Roman Rite Liturgy is Gregorian Chant, and we should chant the Mass in preference to singing hymns.

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 Post subject: Re: Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott???
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The truth is that Luther was an incredibly gifted writer and probably orator as well as a very skilled demagogue, in the technical sense of being skilled at appealing to and manipulating the emotions of his audience, and apparently, he was especially effective in the original German. This is why Luther was popular and successful were others from Wycliffe to Huss were not. This fact, Luther's skill at manipulating emotions, is why many Catholics object to using his hymns, inoffensive though the lyrics may be.

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 Post subject: Re: Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott???
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The fact of the matter is that for his contemporary Catholics, the lyrics weren't actually inoffensive. When he writes about 'they' being able to kill - but God being forever, 'they' are Catholics.

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 Post subject: Re: Ein feste Burg ist unser Gott???
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