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 Post subject: Palm Sunday procession
PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:50 pm 
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May one sing hymns during the procession or must they be psalms?

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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One may sing hymns.

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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One may sing hymns.


Thanks. It's complicated a bit in the Norwegian description because the word for psalm and hymn is the same, but sometimes they use 'song' in this description, which made me think that they perhaps meant psalms when they used the other word (which might mean hymn).

Another question, it says that upon entering the church one should either sing a certain response or some other song about the Lord's entrance to Jerusalem.

Now, does this 'switch' have to be exactly upon entering the church or can it be somewhat later when the choir has made their way to the choir loft?

We may have two hymns, one speaks about welcoming the king of glory, but does not mention the entrance into Jerusalem per se. The other is more explicitly about the entrance to Jerusalem (and is oddly enough found under advent - as is the first one but not so oddly).

As I think it states that hymns/psalms in honour of Christ the King in the procession (and as the first hymn seems to qualify and is a tune that I think is better known than the other hymn), I was thinking of that for the procession and then switching to the other one in the church. However, that presumably will not really be upon entrance to the church as the procession is short, lest we cut the hymn short, which would not be ideal. Plus, almost inevitably, the back of the procession would keep on singing the first hymn. Of course, we could try to prevent that with proper instructions beforehand. However, if we wait until the end and we are up on the choir loft and can avail of the organ, everything will presumably run more smoothly and the first hymn can be sung in its entirety.

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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Why should it have to be at the exact moment?

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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Actually, come to think of it, both hymn tunes seem to me pretty straightforward and well known. Which is not always a sure sign that people will know them. But it seems according to the descriptions, the first would be best in the procession and the second in the church.

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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Well, the instructions sort of say 'as the procession enters the church'.

Eta: Translation from the Norwegian and I think not quite accurate as explained further down.

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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It's from the Palm Sunday liturgy on the diocesan website, and I'm not sure if it's identical to the rubrics in the missal or not.

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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They are both actually quite nice hymns. :cloud9:

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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Well, the instructions sort of say 'as the procession enters the church'.

That still gives you plenty of leeway. Finish the verse you're on and switch.

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
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Well, the instructions sort of say 'as the procession enters the church'.

That still gives you plenty of leeway. Finish the verse you're on and switch.


Actually, I think my translation was not quite accurate. It is more like 'upon the procession entering the church'. The word really does seem to count very that it is supposed to happen just at that point.

I think we're just going to have to do our best to get it as close as possible to when the celebrant actually enters, and just be content with how that turns out. Not having the gift of bilocation makes it a bit difficult, because ideally I think it would be easier to start the second hymn with the choir in the church.

But is what it is, and we'll just have to do our best. Perhaps there is a way we can arrange to slip in just before the priest. Perhaps have a slight pause to do that and get people to stop singing the first hymn.

I just don't want it to end up being undignified at that point.

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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Trust me: it doesn't have to be that precise.

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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What do you all do out there?

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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Trust me: it doesn't have to be that precise.


OK. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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I don't know the rubrics but I think Fr. Kenobi is quite correct. The Church simply doesn't do liturgy with robotic precision - it was made for men after all.

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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I the weather will not be too inclement for the procession to take place. In case of alternative II of the 'solemne entrance' or whatever it's called in English, it says to sing Hosanna or other suitable song as the celebrant goes to the place of the blessing of the palms and the short responsorium or other suitable song as after the blessing etc and during the 'procession' to the altar.

Of course, 'other suitable song' leaves the doors quite wide open to interpretation, but I'm not sure if I could still keep the two psalms or whether I'd have to leave out the one not specifically mentioning the entrance to Jerusalem which I intend to have for the solemn procession.

If only we did not live in such a damp place....

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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I sort of think it is 'another suitable song' but whether it really qualifies when the specified option is Hosanna is a different matter.

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We usually just sing All Glory Laud and Honor, and leave it at that.

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
We usually just sing All Glory Laud and Honor, and leave it at that.


We only have the chant version of that in Latin (with a Norwegian translation following it - which I do not know whether fits the tune or not). But we do not know it, and it is, for a variety of reasons, not going to happen this year at least.

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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But we do not know it

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Everybody in the US knows it, I think. And in the UK too.

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 Post subject: Re: Palm Sunday procession
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But we do not know it

:swoon

Everybody in the US knows it, I think. And in the UK too.

Furriners :roll:


What you're singing is surely not the gregorian chant version? At least that is not the one I find on youtube when searching for the English title.

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