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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:33 pm 
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I have attended a few Roman Catholic Masses on Sundays. During the Mass I noticed that two different readings were read before the Gospel.
I have attended a few Roman Catholic Masses on weekdays. During the Mass I noticed that only one reading was conducted before the Gospel.
Why is there two readings before the Gospel on Sunday and only one reading before the Gospel on weekdays?


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 Post subject: Re: How many readings?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:11 pm 
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Weekday Masses are generally kept shorter for the benefit of the faithful who want to attend them without missing work. That's my guess as to why.

Before 1969, all Masses had only two readings. The third was added in the revision of the Mass because the Church wanted to help the faithful become more aware of more of the Scriptures.

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Weekday Masses are generally kept shorter for the benefit of the faithful who want to attend them without missing work. That's my guess as to why.

Before 1969, all Masses had only two readings. The third was added in the revision of the Mass because the Church wanted to help the faithful become more aware of more of the Scriptures.

I'm going to be pedantic by pointing out that there were a several exceptions to this rule, e.g. the Easter Vigil, the Vigil of Pentecost, and Ember Saturdays. Possibly a few more. :)

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 Post subject: Re: How many readings?
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I actually had that pedantic thought, but I thought I'd let someone else get the kill.

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There is really no reason not to include the Psalm with the readings, making a total of 4 readings on Sunday and 3 on weekdays.

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 Post subject: Re: How many readings?
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http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings/012818.cfm

The readings are numbered "1" and "2". I don't have a lectionary handy, but I believe that's the case there as well. Don't ask me why.

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The Second Vatican Council recommended we cover more scriptural texts in Mass readings. So now we have two lectionaries for weeks (cycles I and II) and three lectionaries for Sundays (cycles A, B, and C).

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings/012818.cfm

The readings are numbered "1" and "2". I don't have a lectionary handy, but I believe that's the case there as well. Don't ask me why.


Probably because the Psalm is not technically 'read' but rather sung, and there is no 'the word of the Lord...thank be to God' after the Psalm. Nevertheless, it is another scripture passage which one hears at every Mass and should thus be counted when adding up how much of the Bible Catholics hear at Mass.

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At High Mass all the readings are sung, but the way they are sung will differ depending on what sort of reading it is. E.g. the Epistle and the Gospel are not sung the way the Gradual is.

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 Post subject: Re: How many readings?
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Probably because the Psalm is not technically 'read' but rather sung, and there is no 'the word of the Lord...thank be to God' after the Psalm.


Yes.

Ideally, the Psalms should be sung. Yet, from my experience of the daily Mass - the Psalms are recited.


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61. After the First Reading follows the Responsorial Psalm, which is an integral part of the Liturgy of the Word and which has great liturgical and pastoral importance, since it fosters meditation on the Word of God.

The Responsorial Psalm should correspond to each reading and should usually be taken from the Lectionary.

It is preferable for the Responsorial Psalm to be sung, at least as far as the people’s response is concerned. Hence the psalmist, or cantor of the Psalm, sings the Psalm verses at the ambo or another suitable place, while the whole congregation sits and listens, normally taking part by means of the response, except when the Psalm is sung straight through, that is, without a response. However, in order that the people may be able to sing the Psalm response more easily, texts of some responses and Psalms have been chosen for the different times of the year or for the different categories of Saints. These may be used instead of the text corresponding to the reading whenever the Psalm is sung. If the Psalm cannot be sung, then it should be recited in a way that is particularly suited to fostering meditation on the Word of God.

GIRM 61.

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 Post subject: Re: How many readings?
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For the Sunday Mass does the Canon Law require that the First Reading is always from the Old Testament?
For the Sunday Mass does the Canon Law require that the Second Reading is always from the New Testament?


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Canon Law doesn't deal with that. It's the Lectionary that determines the readings. The principles used are described here, beginning at #64: https://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDWLECT.HTM#Ch.4

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 Post subject: Re: How many readings?
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Petronius wrote:
For the Sunday Mass does the Canon Law require that the First Reading is always from the Old Testament?



check out the readings from the Easter season 8-)

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Petronius wrote:
For the Sunday Mass does the Canon Law require that the First Reading is always from the Old Testament?
For the Sunday Mass does the Canon Law require that the Second Reading is always from the New Testament?


During the Easter season, the first reading is from the books of Acts.

Outside the Easter season, there is one Old Testament reading, one Psalm, one reading from the epistles, and one gospel reading.

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This isn’t Easter, but today we either read Acts 22:3-16 or Acts 9:1-22. We are observing the Feast of the Conversion of Saint Paul the Apostle.

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 Post subject: Re: How many readings?
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Canon Law doesn't deal with that. It's the Lectionary that determines the readings. The principles used are described here, beginning at #64: https://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDWLECT.HTM#Ch.4


As far as the lectionary is concerned, I feel it important to point out that the lectionary in use is not unique to the Catholic Church. The current lectionary used by the Church was put together in 1969, and the lectionary used in the vast majority of mainline Protestant churches is the Revised Common Lectionary, which is based on the Catholic lectionary of 1969.

Among those Protestant denominations that use the Revised Common Lectionary are:

The Episcopal Church
The United Methodist Church
Presbyterian Church of the USA (PCUSA)
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA)
Lutheran Church Missouri Synod (LCMS)
The Reformed Church in America
American Baptist Churches USA

And many, many others.

Granted, the readings aren't always the same as the readings in the Catholic Church, most of the Protestant churches listed remove any readings from the deuterocanon and make occasional modifications to fit their unique liturgical or theological traditions, but about 80% or more of the time, the readings are exactly the same. So, one will hear the same readings every week in the majority of churches around the world.

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For the weekday Mass is the reading before the Gospel always taken from the Old Testament?


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Petronius wrote:
For the weekday Mass is the reading before the Gospel always taken from the Old Testament?


No, check the following link:

http://catholic-resources.org/Lectionar ... ekdays.htm

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At the Saturday Vigil Mass in a Roman Catholic Church are the readings exactly the same as the ones used the next day at the Sunday Masses?


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Petronius wrote:
At the Saturday Vigil Mass in a Roman Catholic Church are the readings exactly the same as the ones used the next day at the Sunday Masses?


For Sunday Mass, yes. For feast days like Christmas or Easter, not always.

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