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 Post subject: Altar vs Table
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:46 pm 
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Good Afternoon Everyone,

I was wondering does anyone else get offended when the Altar is referred to a table? Does anyone see the Altar in their Church constantly disrespected?


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 Post subject: Re: Altar vs Table
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:21 pm 
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I have never seen anyone refer to the altar as a 'table', although, truthfully, if they did, they wouldn't technically be wrong. An altar really is just a table that has been dedicated to a sacred purpose.

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It would depend on the context.

I am very particular about what goes on the altar--if it isn't needed for Mass or Adoration, it almost certainly doesn't need to be there. And it should not be leaned upon.

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 Post subject: Re: Altar vs Table
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:03 pm 
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Father, can you possibly enlighten me here... we had a visiting priest that was not informed of the "procedure" used in the distribution of Holy Communion..when finished , he kind of wandered around the sanctuary until he placed the ciborium on the altar, then went to sit down... the MC followed him and asked him to pick up the ciborium and hand it to him so that he could take it to the reservation chapel... what was going on there... do you have any idea cuz i'm clueless :? :scratch:

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 Post subject: Re: Altar vs Table
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:19 pm 
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I'd have had to be there.

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Sounds to me like he was looking for the tabernacle and couldn't find it. :?

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 Post subject: Re: Altar vs Table
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:17 pm 
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I was just remembering today one of the first Masses I celebrated, where I did a complete 360 in the sanctuary trying to find my chair. It wasn't even in an unusual place.

But on rereading f/s's post, I think you're right. Unless it's a big tourist attraction, I'm not fond of reservation chapels.

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i guess the question i had was why didn't the MC just go and pick up the ciborium himself? why was it necessary for the priest to hand it to him ?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:43 pm 
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i guess the question i had was why didn't the MC just go and pick up the ciborium himself? why was it necessary for the priest to hand it to him ?

Surely you're not arguing that laymen should just be able to pick up the sacred vessels whenever they want?

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 Post subject: Re: Altar vs Table
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:05 pm 
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you make a good point...but i'm not arguing anything...just trying to get some clarity as to what seemed to be an unusual event... is an instituted acolyte a lay person?

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 Post subject: Re: Altar vs Table
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My strong preference is that lay people never pick up anything from the altar with consecrated elements in it, not place anything on the altar with consecrated elements in it. I would lose this battle (if I tried to fight it) over chalices too often, but I try to make it happen with ciboria.

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 Post subject: Re: Altar vs Table
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Peregrinator wrote:
Sounds to me like he was looking for the tabernacle and couldn't find it. :?


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 Post subject: Re: Altar vs Table
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:55 am 
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Did anyone else notice that f/s used a capital letter in his post above? Should we be concerned for his safety? :scratch:

Having read the thread, though, what both Peregrinator and Fr. Kenobi said make sense. While I've seen (especially in smaller parishes) the celebrant hand the ciborium to a layperson to return to the Tabernacle, I've never seen a layperson place or remove anything on the altar during a Mass. Ever. If it needed to go on or off the altar, Father did it. Even when I've been an EMHC, after serving the chalice with the Precious Blood, we would consume anything remaining, then place the chalice (with the purificator on top, neatly folded in a way that covered the entire opening) on a side table until after Mass, when they would be taken to the back and cleaned.

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 Post subject: Re: Altar vs Table
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i'm safe :fyi: and you're right...i should not have capitalized mc... mea culpa... i even thought about it and decided that mc might be a cause of confusion to the uninitiated :wink:

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