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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:08 pm 
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Ours wear black cassocks. I used to belong to a parish that brought out a few red cassocks for special occasions (like the Easter Vigil).

Servers at the Carmelite Monastery in Philly wear brown cassocks.

In many places the servers don't wear cassocks at all, but albs. Not particularly a fan of that.

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I didn't know cassocks came in any color other than black. The closest thing I've seen is a cardinal's attire...which, I guess...is a red cassock. :oops:

And IIRC, the significance of the alb is to indicate that the individual has been baptized. If that's the case, it's entirely appropriate for an altar server to wear one regardless of sex, no? (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

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 Post subject: Re: Rules About What Altar Servers Wear
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I didn't know cassocks came in any color other than black. The closest thing I've seen is a cardinal's attire...which, I guess...is a red cassock. :oops:

A Cardinal's choir cassock is red, yes -- his house cassock is black with red piping.

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And IIRC, the significance of the alb is to indicate that the individual has been baptized.

Not exactly. A baptized person is clothed with a white garment at baptism (at least it's an option to do this), and some places may use albs for it, but that's not its primary function. Rather, it's the base liturgical garment that everything else goes on top of.

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Oops, sorry for the ring and dash on the thread. So there's not a rule that can be cited. Got it. So here's the question - what can we say to the pastor to make the case that they shouldn't? Background - he is a new pastor. For many many years, at this church, the girls wore albs and the boys wore surplices and cassocks. At a recent meeting of servers, Father announced that "altar serving used to be an apprenticeship for the priesthood, but it's not anymore," and therefore there is no reason for the boys and girls to dress differently when they serve.

Yes this is the same church which started making the announcements in the middle of Mass (my thread from Cath 101) - interestingly, even though we never did say anything to him, he stopped doing it (someone else must have said something). Do we whine with "but Faaaatherrrrr, we don't like iiiiiitttt" ? Do I try to convince him that yes, it is still an apprenticeship for the priesthood, when he is a priest who was not an altar server? Do I give up and decide it's ok to be happy with my son serving along side girls who look a little too much like priests for my comfort? I'm kind of thinking that this one is a lost cause - guessing that it might have been one of the other priests in residence who stopped the announcements, whereas this is a less jarring situation (at least to many people) and probably won't be as big a deal to them.

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You can't do anything about it. He's working from a whole different set of premises than you are.

:idea2: Or you could move to Peoria, where having girls in cassock and surplice is against diocesan policy.

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You can't do anything about it. He's working from a whole different set of premises than you are.
Yeah, I'm sure you're right.

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:idea2: Or you could move to Peoria, where having girls in cassock and surplice is against diocesan policy.
Oh to live somewhere where the best answer didn't always sound like, "maybe you should move to a new diocese..." :?

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We switch after confirmation. It seems odd to wear red before instead of after, but black is the adult color for classics generally speaking.


That is a FANTASTIC idea. I am going to pass that one on to the boss!!!!

We already have a gold trimmed white over lay thingy (name is just GONE from my brain this morning) that is worn only by the MCs. Designations of rank or maturity gives the kids something to which they can aspire, keeps the older kids more engaged. I just love your parish's idea!

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 Post subject: Re: Rules About What Altar Servers Wear
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We switch after confirmation. It seems odd to wear red before instead of after, but black is the adult color for classics generally speaking.


That is a FANTASTIC idea. I am going to pass that one on to the boss!!!!

We already have a gold trimmed white over lay thingy (name is just GONE from my brain this morning) that is worn only by the MCs. Designations of rank or maturity gives the kids something to which they can aspire, keeps the older kids more engaged. I just love your parish's idea!

Isn't it enough to move from torchbearer > boat bearer > crucifer > acolyte > thurifer > MC ?

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kage_ar wrote:
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We switch after confirmation. It seems odd to wear red before instead of after, but black is the adult color for classics generally speaking.


That is a FANTASTIC idea. I am going to pass that one on to the boss!!!!

We already have a gold trimmed white over lay thingy (name is just GONE from my brain this morning) that is worn only by the MCs. Designations of rank or maturity gives the kids something to which they can aspire, keeps the older kids more engaged. I just love your parish's idea!

Isn't it enough to move from torchbearer > boat bearer > crucifer > acolyte > thurifer > MC ?


Until our Diocese goes back to restored order of the Sacraments, we need to find every means possible to keep them coming to Mass after Confirmation let alone to keep serving...

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There are no rules as far as I know. For example, I have served the Mass in the Apparition Chapel at Fátima, Portugal without a surplice or a cassock. But the Fátima sanctuary does provide surplices/cassocks for boy and girl altar servers.

Check the photo in the link:

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No. 339 applies just to Unites States. Below is the actual Latin words:

339. Acolythi, lectores, aliique ministri laici albam vel aliam vestem in singulis regionibus a Conferentia Episcoporum legitime probatam induere possunt.

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Et translatio est...

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Acolytes, lectors, and other lay ministers can be clothed in an alb or in another vestment legitimately approved by the Conference of Bishops in each region.

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In this part of the US, Confirmation does not happen until high school. After Confirmation, most teens disengage from parish life and service. Confirmation is considered "graduation" from things like faith formation, alter serving, going to Mass...

Modern humans like to advance, they go to karate class so they can attain the next belt color, they work hard in the military so they can attain the next rank. A little bit of "carrot" does not ever hurt when trying to keep modern teens involved.

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There are no rules as far as I know. For example, I have served the Mass in the Apparition Chapel at Fátima, Portugal without a surplice or a cassock. But the Fátima sanctuary does provide surplices/cassocks for boy and girl altar servers.

Check the photo in the link:

http://www.fatima.pt/gasf/


look like albs to me...?


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There are no rules as far as I know. For example, I have served the Mass in the Apparition Chapel at Fátima, Portugal without a surplice or a cassock. But the Fátima sanctuary does provide surplices/cassocks for boy and girl altar servers.

Check the photo in the link:

http://www.fatima.pt/gasf/


look like albs to me...?

Definitely albs and you can tell nothing special is worn underneath -- one young man is wearing a striped shirt and it shows through.

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