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 Post subject: New Liturgical Texts in Response to the Pandemic
PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:30 am 
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We have just learned that the Congregation for Divine Worship has issued two new liturgical texts in response to the coronavirus pandemic. The first is a votive Mass titled “in the time of pandemic”, newly composed for this purpose. It is accompanied by a decree which permits that it be celebrated daily, except on solemnities, the Sundays of Advent, Lent and Eastertide, Holy Week and the Octave of Easter, Ash Wednesday and All Souls’ Day. (Pray God that it will be long obsolete by then!) The second is a special prayer to be added to the Solemn Prayers of Good Friday. No doubt they will be widely available in a variety of formats very shortly, but in the meantime, here are the new decrees and liturgical texts, first in English, and below in Latin.

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They could have simply used the Propers from the EF Mass in Time of Pestilence

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 Post subject: Re: New Liturgical Texts in Response to the Pandemic
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Peregrinator wrote:
They could have simply used the Propers from the EF Mass in Time of Pestilence

But that goes against the religion of many of the bishops, who foam at the mouth against the theology contained into those prayers.

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 Post subject: Re: New Liturgical Texts in Response to the Pandemic
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Pro Ecclesia Dei wrote:
Peregrinator wrote:
They could have simply used the Propers from the EF Mass in Time of Pestilence

But that goes against the religion of many of the bishops, who foam at the mouth against the theology contained into those prayers.

Can you give examples of the statements you're referring to?

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 Post subject: Re: New Liturgical Texts in Response to the Pandemic
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Jack3 wrote:
Pro Ecclesia Dei wrote:
Peregrinator wrote:
They could have simply used the Propers from the EF Mass in Time of Pestilence

But that goes against the religion of many of the bishops, who foam at the mouth against the theology contained into those prayers.

Can you give examples of the statements you're referring to?

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 Post subject: Re: New Liturgical Texts in Response to the Pandemic
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I ask for the statements that contradict the theology.

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 Post subject: Re: New Liturgical Texts in Response to the Pandemic
PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:56 am 
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Jack3 wrote:
I ask for the statements that contradict the theology.


at the very least, it's a tongue-in-cheek remark about how bishops seem to eschew and avoid anything at all that has to do with the TLM or extraordinary form.


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 Post subject: Re: New Liturgical Texts in Response to the Pandemic
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Jack3 wrote:
I ask for the statements that contradict the theology.

If you have never heard a Catholic bishop spit upon Catholic theology in regard to divine chastisement, count yourself lucky. Bishop Barron, e.g., falls into error here in his article "God and the Tsunami" where he conflates moral evil with natural evil, to make a fallacious argument. Note, he is not wholly wrong in censuring those who are too quickly to divine God's motives, e.g. attributing it to a particular sin etc. But that all natural disasters are in some way the result of sin is undeniably true, and that the Church's traditional praxis is to call for repentance and the turning away of God's chastisement is true as well. But many bishops contemn such language

How many could pray with Augustine?

BEFORE Thine eyes, O Lord, we bring our sins, and we compare them with the stripes we have received.
If we examine the evil we have wrought, what we suffer is little, what we deserve is great.
What we have committed is very grievous, what we have suffered is very slight.
We feel the punishment of sin, yet withdraw not from the obstinacy of sinning.
Under Thy lash our inconstancy is visited, but our sinfulness is not changed.
Our suffering soul is tormented, but our neck is not bent.
Our life groans under sorrow, yet amends not in deed.
If Thou spare us, we correct not our ways: if Thou punish, we cannot endure it.
In time of correction we confess our wrongdoing: after Thy visitation we forget that we have wept.
If Thou stretchest forth Thy hand, we promise amendment; if Thou withholdest the sword, we keep not our promise.
If Thou strikest, we cry out for mercy; if Thou sparest, we again provoke Thee to strike
Here we are before Thee, O Lord, confessedly guilty; we know that unless Thou pardon we shall deservedly perish.
Grant then, O almighty Father, without our deserving it, the pardon we ask; Thou Who madest out of nothing those Who ask Thee. Through Christ our Lord. Amen
V. Deal not with us, O Lord, according to our sins.
R. Neither reward us according to our iniquities.
Let us pray.—O God, Who by sin art offended and by penance pacified, mercifully regard the prayers of Thy suppliant people, and turn away the scourges of Thy wrath, which we deserve for our sins. Through Christ our Lord. R. Amen.

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 Post subject: Re: New Liturgical Texts in Response to the Pandemic
PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:52 pm 
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Our bishop has managerial problems, but afaik he is faithful to orthodoxy.

Thank you for sharing the prayer. I needed it. I even think it was providential, preparing me for the triduum. Thank you.

Can you explain the correct notion of disasters being chastisement, please?

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 Post subject: Re: New Liturgical Texts in Response to the Pandemic
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Where in Augustine is it found?

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 Post subject: Re: New Liturgical Texts in Response to the Pandemic
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Jack3 wrote:
Where in Augustine is it found?


I typed the first line into a search and it brought me to this site:


https://www.beautysoancient.com/prayer- ... on-prayer/

Advertisements in between the lines are there; the poem is also there.


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 Post subject: Re: New Liturgical Texts in Response to the Pandemic
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Jack3 wrote:
Where in Augustine is it found?

I am asking for the name of the book he wrote in which this is found

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 Post subject: Re: New Liturgical Texts in Response to the Pandemic
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:40 am 
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It's not part of a larger work by Augustine as fat ad I know. It's just a prayer that is attributed to Augustine. I don't know if it's thought to be authentic or not, but it doesn't sound like something Augustine could never have written, or even if he didn't, that we wouldn't have agreed with.

If you want to try to research further, you might have better luck searching for the Latin: "ante oculos tuos."
http://www0.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Ant ... e_de_Monte)


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 Post subject: Re: New Liturgical Texts in Response to the Pandemic
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whoops...
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