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PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:25 am 
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
The bishops generally don't control the music in parishes.

I don't understand. I thought the Bishops always had to check the hymnals before anyone could use it.
In Sweden the hymnal we use for OF has been checked by the Bishop. I do not know what this is called. Inprimatur perhaps? I see this term in other books.
I thought that even at a guitar Mass the tunes had to be accepted by a Bishop.
But then some people say that Amazing grace is problematic (Father John Hardon says so) even if it included in some Catholic hymnals.


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ingenting wrote:
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
The bishops generally don't control the music in parishes.

I don't understand. I thought the Bishops always had to check the hymnals before anyone could use it.
In Sweden the hymnal we use for OF has been checked by the Bishop. I do not know what this is called. Inprimatur perhaps? I see this term in other books.
I thought that even at a guitar Mass the tunes had to be accepted by a Bishop.
But then some people say that Amazing grace is problematic (Father John Hardon says so) even if it included in some Catholic hymnals.


I love to sing but have absolutely zero aptitude so when at Mass I'll whisper/sing to spare those around me. The only mammal that can bear it is my dog. When my husband comes home I have to stop. Married 24+ years and he has yet to learn to ignore me.

I really like the Masses that use a Cantor only. We have a very good tenor who sings the Saturday Vigil. The other Masses have the guitar/drums (yes, I said drums)/wanna-be-pop-star theme.

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 Post subject: Re: I need your your expert view on this
PostPosted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:11 pm 
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ElenaMarie wrote:
the guitar/drums ...wanna-be-pop-star theme.


I don't do drums and tambourines. I do do guitars for the local traditional Spanish Mass, but not in any other context. I literally would, and have, walked out of a Mass with I have seen the trio setting up. There is always another Mass.

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ElenaMarie wrote:
the guitar/drums ...wanna-be-pop-star theme.


I don't do drums and tambourines.


That makes two of us!

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The problem for me is this: keys are often too low. It takes the fun out of singing. You see it is hard singing with people in the pews.
My experience is the exact opposite - that people find the keys to be to high and that most people who aren't tenors find the low keys easier to sing.

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ingenting wrote:
I don't understand. I thought the Bishops always had to check the hymnals before anyone could use it.
In Sweden, the hymnal we use for OF has been checked by the Bishop. I do not know what this is called. Imprimatur perhaps? I see this term in other books.
I thought that even at a guitar Mass the tunes had to be accepted by a Bishop.
But then some people say that Amazing grace is problematic (Father John Hardon says so) even if it included in some Catholic hymnals.


The hymnals are approved by the bishops, the problem is that many bishops approve things they probably shouldn't. Some approve these things because they support them, and some approve them even though they know they shouldn't because they are afraid of confrontation. But just because hymnals are approved, doesn't mean that bishops have control over everything that goes on at the parish level, they don't, not even at this own home parish, the cathedral.

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if they could control all of the hymns... would gather us in (among others) still be played in parishes? :shock: sadly the music of our parish has not kept pace with the other improvements i listed in my thread in this forum :(

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It would. Bishops are products of their culture, like the rest of us. They may also decide they have bigger fish to fry.

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There is an approved hymnal in Australia but few parishes use it.

We are happy to just have a Sunday musician at our 3 masses.

Some of the songs are crappy but most people sing along.

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Closet Catholic wrote:
ingenting wrote:
The problem for me is this: keys are often too low. It takes the fun out of singing. You see it is hard singing with people in the pews.
My experience is the exact opposite - that people find the keys to be to high and that most people who aren't tenors find the low keys easier to sing.

That's because many people at Mass are mezzo-sopranos or baritiones who don't know much about singing.
I see how we have a problem here. Most people at Mass are untrained singers. The organists mostly choose keys that would fit their untrained voices.
I guess it is hard singing with non-singers.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 8:21 am 
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Regarding ingenting's comments about weekday Mass vs. Sunday Mass, I completely understand. Maybe it's different from one parish to another, but I really appreciate the silence and peace that I experience at our weekday Mass. These are N.O. Masses, but would you call them Low Masses? There is no music and no homily. The whole experience is quieter. Our pastor recites at a whisper those Eucharistic prayers that are intended for God, until he says "Pray brothers and sisters that my sacrifice and yours..." It feels like less "commotion," in the absence of ushers and a collection.

In my experience, the absence of singing, and the whispering of priestly prayers that are typically audible to the congregation, helps me to enter into prayer and communion. It feels like sacred mystery, and not like distractions and movement (what ingenting called "performance").

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I agree.

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