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 Post subject: No screen in the confessional booth?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:08 pm 
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I made a confession this past Saturday at St. Francis Xavier Church, a Jesuit-run community, in Manhattan. The confessional booths there are "architecturally" (I hope that's not too grand a term for them) interesting. Maybe "ornate" goes too far.

Anyway, I entered the booth to confess and found no screen. I didn't want to make eye contact with the priest and I averted my view to avoid looking at him. Shouldn't there be a screen in such a setting?

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 Post subject: Re: No screen in the confessional booth?
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:33 pm 
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Both the penitent and the priest are supposed to have a behind-the-screen option when working with a fixed confessional.

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 Post subject: Re: No screen in the confessional booth?
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Both the penitent and the priest are supposed to have a behind-the-screen option when working with a fixed confessional.


But what if the priest wants the screen and the penitent does not?

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St. Irenaeus of Lyons wrote:
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Both the penitent and the priest are supposed to have a behind-the-screen option when working with a fixed confessional.


But what if the priest wants the screen and the penitent does not?


D. Utrum attento praescripto can. 964, ยง 2, sacramenti minister, iusta de causa et excluso casu necessitatis, legitime decernere valeat, etiamsi poenitens forte aliud postulet ut confessio sacramentalis excipiatur in sede confessionali crate fixa instructa.
R. Affirmative.


http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/ponti ... ae_lt.html

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 Post subject: Re: No screen in the confessional booth?
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St. Irenaeus of Lyons wrote:
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Both the penitent and the priest are supposed to have a behind-the-screen option when working with a fixed confessional.


But what if the priest wants the screen and the penitent does not?

Either one has the right to insist on it.

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 Post subject: Re: No screen in the confessional booth?
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
St. Irenaeus of Lyons wrote:
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Both the penitent and the priest are supposed to have a behind-the-screen option when working with a fixed confessional.


But what if the priest wants the screen and the penitent does not?

Either one has the right to insist on it.

That's interesting. I should have not deleted the post I deleted above. I began to ask if there is a need for something like the Pat Venditte Rule for when a switch hitter comes to bat against a switch pitcher :scratch: . From Wikipedia:

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Venditte is a switch pitcher, capable of pitching proficiently with both arms. He is recognized as the only active professional pitcher who is able to do this.[1][2] Venditte's rare ability to pitch with either arm required both Major and Minor League Baseball to create a rule for ambidextrous pitchers, known colloquially as the "Pat Venditte Rule". This rule essentially requires any ambidextrous pitcher to declare which hand he will use to pitch to a batter before the at-bat starts, and to throw with that hand through the entire at-bat (unless he is injured during the at-bat).

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 Post subject: Re: No screen in the confessional booth?
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Honestly - though I prefer to have a screen, or some means of having anonymity - this is not a hill to die on. I used to go to confession from time to time at a certain shrine where they had daily confessions. Instead of a fixed screen there was a heavy curtain in between the priest and the penitent. One priest there started to pull back the curtain - that is, it would be pulled back when you went into the confessional, not that he would do it mid-confession. Anyway, I asked him to put it back and he said that he had been attacked by a "penitent" and that he didn't want the curtain there so he would "have a fighting chance" against further attacks. I didn't insist, but neither did I look at him while confessing.

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 Post subject: Re: No screen in the confessional booth?
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Oh no, let's take a look.



St. Irenaeus of Lyons wrote:
a Jesuit-run community



Ah, here's your problem.

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 Post subject: Re: No screen in the confessional booth?
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Alexandros wrote:
Oh no, let's take a look.



St. Irenaeus of Lyons wrote:
a Jesuit-run community



Ah, here's your problem.


I've weighed in previously in these forums somewhere about how this Jesuit-run community uses a modified version of the Creed that reads "and became human" rather than "and became man." I spoke to one of the priests and the pastor about that. The priest said he understood my concern. Yet the pastor told me that was a more inclusive presentation to which I replied that the Creed is an historical document that should not be changed. I also added that in such a climate of sexual or gender confusion as today's zeitgeist, that such a change is especially inopportune.

One of the priests wrote something in the bulletin complaining about homophobia but not about homosexual acts. The same priest, during a homily, mentioned how a lesbian friend got into a relationship and, as a consequence, reformed her life - by losing weight. In another homily he mentioned how many of "our" ancestors were immigrants without mention of how many - probably a very high percentage - were legal immigrants unlike today in the USA. The community has a float in New York City's annual Gay Pride Parade. Fr. James Martin recently spoke at the church. Maybe it is a blessing that I get to monitor these things, regrettable as they are.

The Jesuits, I believe, have more canonical saints in the Catholic Church than any other order. My how they have fallen. I am not registered in that Jesuit community but am a parishioner elsewhere in Manhattan where I have not heard any whiff of dissent or malpractice such as the lack of a screen in the confessional. One of the priests there is both a former Carthusian monk and a former Jesuit, interestingly.

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 Post subject: Re: No screen in the confessional booth?
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Carthusian, then Jesuit, or the other way around?

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 Post subject: Re: No screen in the confessional booth?
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Carthusian, then Jesuit, or the other way around?


It's complicated: now I'm unsure that he was ever a Jesuit priest, though he went to a Jesuit high school.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cQSSSXguL8

This interview, however, may raise some eyebrows, too.

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