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 Post subject: Magnum Principium
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 5:58 am 
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The text was released today. Effective on 1 October.

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 Post subject: Re: Magnum Principium
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Motu Proprio, 11 pages, issued by Pope Francis is pretty good and concerns about translations of the liturgy into modern languages.

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 Post subject: Re: Magnum Principium
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I read it, but I didn't understand it. What is the Pope trying to say? :scratch:

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 Post subject: Re: Magnum Principium
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Mrs. Timmy wrote:
I read it, but I didn't understand it. What is the Pope trying to say? :scratch:


It is in legalese. You will have to be a canon lawyer to understand. :D

Local bishops are given more responsibility for proper translation into modern languages.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/20 ... nslations/

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 Post subject: Re: Magnum Principium
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So, is this a good thing, or a bad thing? Does it mean anything for celebration of the Mass in Latin?

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 Post subject: Re: Magnum Principium
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Edward Peters, a canon lawyer, has commented on Motu Proprium a hour ago.

If you have a Face book access, just read his answer posted in "Canon Law."

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 Post subject: Re: Magnum Principium
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So, as best as my mind can wrap around this, it's a bad thing. Can't say I'm surprised.

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 Post subject: Re: Magnum Principium
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Mrs. Timmy wrote:
So, as best as my mind can wrap around this, it's a bad thing. Can't say I'm surprised.



Pretty much. The main reason for the centralization of the Roman rite was spurned on by the protestant revolts. Liturgical unity was necessary in an atmosphere of deterioration both in liturgical theology and in practice.

Now think of the liturgical atmosphere today, bot in terms of understanding what it is and how it is practiced. Now let's ask ourselves: is this really a good idea?

On the flip side, recent reforms stemming from centralized authority are for the most part imprudent and disappointing - to describe it nicely. But, the recent new translation was a step in the right direction. However, I am not sure how local bishops conferences are going to take this - seeing as how some are bent on giving Holy Communion to so-called "remarried" what would they do to a liturgical translation?

Final thought: Will this lead to more control by bishops over liturgical practice like before Trent?

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 Post subject: Re: Magnum Principium
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On the surface, this seems to be a pretty decent explanation to John and Mary Catholic what Magnum Principium is...and isn't. https://www.osv.com/OSVNewsweekly/Artic ... guage.aspx

Anyone care to discuss the article?

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