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 Post subject: Organ/Sacred Music
PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:55 pm 
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I'm curious does your parish pay for a professional musician/organist or do you have a volunteer?

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 Post subject: Re: Organ/Sacred Music
PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 10:12 pm 
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Organ? You surely mean 'guitar' right?


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I'm curious does your parish pay for a professional musician/organist or do you have a volunteer?

We have an organist and a cantor, both paid.

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 Post subject: Re: Organ/Sacred Music
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Organist, pianist, and cantor(s) - paid, I believe.
We also have a guitarist - but it is very subtle.
And sometimes french horn and or flute, trumpet - I don't know if they are volunteer or paid.

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 Post subject: Re: Organ/Sacred Music
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For the 5 PM Saturday: Organist and Cantor, paid

8 AM Sunday: Organ/Pianist and Cantor, paid (different people than 5 PM)

10 AM Sunday: Organist (paid), Choir Director/Cantor (who also can play piano and classical guitar) paid, full choir (volunteers).

3 PM Spanish Mass: They have a choir and various musicians, I hear guitars and keyboards but they are in the loft so I am not sure how many folks... no idea if they are volunteer or paid.

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Thanks for the replies.

Our parish also has two paid organists. I believe the Schola (Mass according to 1962 Missal once a month) and Cantor are volunteers.

It seems quite rare to find a competent volunteer organist.

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You get what you pay for.

Quality organists are in such demand that it would take a really dedicated one to work for free and turn down the money he could get playing elsewhere.

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You get what you pay for.


This certainly matches my perception of the issue.

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Quality organists are in such demand that it would take a really dedicated one to work for free and turn down the money he could get playing elsewhere.


It does seem a limited talent pool! I know a few organists at parishes, like ours, who are not even Catholic.

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 Post subject: Re: Organ/Sacred Music
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We have a music director ... paid ... who also plays the Wurlitzer. As far as I can tell, being musically illiterate -- except for the Beach Boys -- the style being used is pretty much a cross between bluegrass and Lawrence Welk. I am hoping for a bubble machine to further enliven the overall tone of our music.

So I listen to Palestrina at home.

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Used to be that every well educated child took piano lessons. It was not uncommon for those lessons to be given by the pianist/organist from the community congregation (regardless of denomination). Because kids were there already, some of them picked up basic organ skills.

Some of those kids then went on to study music, I know that one private college down the road offered an Organ Major in the music program. These programs began to decline, and I don't think any college has such these days.

My advice for anyone with kids - give them piano lessons, encourage them to learn to play organ and they will always be able to find a paying job. (Same goes for harp!)

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 Post subject: Re: Organ/Sacred Music
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There are places with organ majors, but fewer than there were even twenty years ago.

https://www.google.com/search?q=organ+m ... e&ie=UTF-8

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 Post subject: Re: Organ/Sacred Music
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I played organ on and off throughout seminary, not because I'm good (I'm not even a real good pianist, though I took lessons for years) but because the seminary didn't have a music director (a fault since rectified). The other guys on the rotation were all self-taught except for one.

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 Post subject: Re: Organ/Sacred Music
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Organ? You surely mean 'guitar' right?

Nice one. :thumbsup:

My current parish has a nice organ right up in our nice 'choir loft'....which stopped being used in the 1970's when "they" ripped out a few pews in the front of the church to make room for piano, guitars, and metal folding chairs for the choir and I to stare at each other from. :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Organ/Sacred Music
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With the pews gone, was there enough room for the sacred break dancing?

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 Post subject: Re: Organ/Sacred Music
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Used to be that every well educated child took piano lessons. It was not uncommon for those lessons to be given by the pianist/organist from the community congregation (regardless of denomination).


With some denominational exceptions-sorry but I can't help but to remember one of your funniest lines that has stuck with me, of your description of the difference between the Churches of Christ and the Disciples of Christ in your, (and my parents and grands.) part of the country...

"Pie-ana or no pie-ana?" ::):

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With the pews gone, was there enough room for the sacred break dancing?


Not here but when I lived in the SF Bay area, ikyn, at my first Mass in my new parish during Lent, they had middle-aged women in purple leotards dancing some sort of pseudo pagan, dance around the alter. I walked out and never went back.

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 Post subject: Re: Organ/Sacred Music
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I have to disagree.

I don't think it was pseudo.

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 Post subject: Re: Organ/Sacred Music
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kage_ar wrote:
Used to be that every well educated child took piano lessons. It was not uncommon for those lessons to be given by the pianist/organist from the community congregation (regardless of denomination).


With some denominational exceptions-sorry but I can't help but to remember one of your funniest lines that has stuck with me, of your description of the difference between the Churches of Christ and the Disciples of Christ in your, (and my parents and grands.) part of the country...

"Pie-ana or no pie-ana?" ::):


Used that in a phone conversation a few weeks ago - it is like knowing a secret code :)

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When I was at college, a friend of mine took over the choir and played the Organ at the mission, pro bono. He had had frmal training.

My grandfather bought a electronic organ and self taught himself, in order to get the organ back in his Church... he actually received a commendation from the CA state legislature (well one of the congregants was a State Senator...)

But I don't think many are willing to volunteer that sort of time and effort. Both of those examples did it, because they saw the poverty of the music at the Mass they went to and decided to fix it.

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