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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:35 am 
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I am very disturbed about recent events. I believe strongly that Pope Francis is trying to do right thing. I am almost 90 years old. I have been disappointed in the Catholic Church ever since Vatican II. Now I am at the stage where I am more confirmed in my Catholic faith than ever before, but I have lost my confidence in the church. Where do I go from here.

I sincerely hope that the editors will not delete this submission. I hope, instead, that I will received some advise.

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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:57 pm 
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Our Lord Jesus Christ is the one to have confidence in. And stay close to Our Blessed Mother.

Pray for the better times that are coming!

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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:47 am 
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Thinking about my problem about The Catholic Church perhaps things haven't changed that much but modern communication has revealed much more.?

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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
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It is up to us believers to allow the Lord to sanctify us and draw us closer to Him.

I need to cultivate His Peace and keep my eyes on him.

We have many saints to look to, who did just that. Stay especially close to our Blessed Mother.


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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:28 am 
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This thread won't be deleted but it should probably be moved to a more appropriate forum

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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
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In the diocese I grew up in there were somewhat fewer allegations over the years and it seems like all the problem priests were dealt with quickly and thoroughly, according to the recently published list. There are other dioceses with similar records. Some descriptions of the problem paint with too broad a brush, not that it wasn't widespread.

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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:22 pm 
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did you happen to notice the 3 part series in the chronicle last week (i think!) that went after the sexual abuse crisis in the southern baptist community? i was shocked!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:31 pm 
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it's funny how you can be rather disillusioned w/ the Church and yet be more Catholic -- as it were -- than ever

i can relate

Jesus did promise that he would never leave or forsake us. This is the Eucharist :) Matthew 28:20.. Jn 6:27-72

Jesus promised that the very gates of Hell itself would not prevail against his Church (Mt 16:18, i believe)


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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
PostPosted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:05 am 
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Awhile back and very wonderful, elderly Nun told me to ignore the foibles of even the priests, and others, since the Church is far more than mere human beings, and for me to keep my eyes on the Lord Jesus, and continue to believe that He will deal with those in His Church who seem to be out of line, so to speak. I was surprised, pleasantly, by her telling me that. It helped me a great deal. I honestly believe the Lord will keep us on the straight and narrow way so long as we remember to trust in Him, and do as instructed in Proverbs 3:5,6, and trust that He will be there for us through all we encounter in this life. :)

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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
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GoldStarMom2872* wrote:
Awhile back and very wonderful, elderly Nun told me to ignore the foibles of even the priests, and others, since the Church is far more than mere human beings, and for me to keep my eyes on the Lord Jesus, and continue to believe that He will deal with those in His Church who seem to be out of line, so to speak. I was surprised, pleasantly, by her telling me that. It helped me a great deal. I honestly believe the Lord will keep us on the straight and narrow way so long as we remember to trust in Him, and do as instructed in Proverbs 3:5,6, and trust that He will be there for us through all we encounter in this life. :)


Excellent! Thank you so very much...

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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
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GoldStarMom2872* wrote:
Awhile back and very wonderful, elderly Nun told me to ignore the foibles of even the priests, and others, since the Church is far more than mere human beings, and for me to keep my eyes on the Lord Jesus, and continue to believe that He will deal with those in His Church who seem to be out of line, so to speak. I was surprised, pleasantly, by her telling me that. It helped me a great deal. I honestly believe the Lord will keep us on the straight and narrow way so long as we remember to trust in Him, and do as instructed in Proverbs 3:5,6, and trust that He will be there for us through all we encounter in this life. :)


Hi--

I started my conversion just after the whole priest-sex-abuse thing blew up in the media. My sponsor told me the same thing and I repeated it often to people, especially family, who insisted I was wrong for even considering converting (only Catholic on any side for at least 500 years according to my mother's genealogy research.)

I figure if I'm not perfect, and I'm surely not, I can't expect the Church's officials to be perfect either.

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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:40 am 
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All too often our Bishops fail to understand that they don't know everything, and that study is necessary when venturing outside their ecclesial realm. For example, our Bishop published an editorial in the Diocesan newspaper attacking "Creation Science." In that letter he assured us the earth is 14 billion years old!

He composed that editorial on a computer and all he had to do was type into his search engine the question, "How old is the earth?" That would have led him to the NASA site, and he would have learned the earth is only 4 1/2 billion years old.

The irony here is that in one corner we have the most rabid Fundamentalist in the world, foaming at the mouth, demanding we believe the earth is only 6,000 years old. He's wrong by 4 1/2 billion years.

And in the other corner, we have a Catholic Bishop demanding we believe the earth is 14 billion years -- and he's wrong by twice as much!!

This happens again and again -- whenever the Bishop ventures into politics, science, law, social problems and so on, his lack of study and knowledge is embarassingly apparent.


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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:36 pm 
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Since I was there at the beginning of certain changes after Vatican II, I do understand. However, at the time I was in Catholic school and was told in Religion class what to expect. When the new, smaller altar appeared and the priest faced the people, I obeyed Holy Mother Church. As time passed, I thought it entirely inappropriate to have Let it Be by The Beatles as the closing song at Mass. Other things occurred that were a little difficult to understand. Outside my parish, statues and Communion/Altar rails were removed and a few other things. A lack of reverence was creeping in. Pope Benedict XVI noticed that: "Many people who clearly accepted the binding character of the Second Vatican Council, and were faithful to the Pope and the Bishops, nonetheless also desired to recover the form of the sacred liturgy that was dear to them. This occurred above all because in many places celebrations were not faithful to the prescriptions of the new Missal, but the latter actually was understood as authorizing or even requiring creativity, which frequently led to deformations of the liturgy which were hard to bear. I am speaking from experience, since I too lived through that period with all its hopes and its confusion. And I have seen how arbitrary deformations of the liturgy caused deep pain to individuals totally rooted in the faith of the Church." Excerpt from LETTER OF HIS HOLINESS
BENEDICT XVI
TO THE BISHOPS ON THE OCCASION OF THE PUBLICATION
OF THE APOSTOLIC LETTER "MOTU PROPRIO DATA"
SUMMORUM PONTIFICUM
ON THE USE OF THE ROMAN LITURGY
PRIOR TO THE REFORM OF 1970

In 1968, Pope Paul VI had to issue the encyclical Humanae Vitae to repeat the Church's constant prohibition against artificial birth control. 24 hours later, some Catholic theologians, going beyond their authority, took out a full page ad in the New York Times, telling Catholics and non-Catholics that artificial birth control is OK in some situations.

Starting in 1970 to the present, the number of priests in the US declined. Mass attendance went down. Combine that with changes in attitudes among people due to unusual secular events.

1971 US television begins to turn away from family friendly subject matter and begins introducing dysfunctional families.

1973 The US Supreme Court legalizes abortion.

The 1970s saw the appearance of Adult Bookstores selling porn in our neighborhoods. This caused planned/expected addictions.

The 1970s also saw the Women's Liberation Movement where total strangers were in conflict with Church teaching and with the "traditional" family. Some women saw this as an encouragement to abandon dating and simply approach men for sex. This caused confusion as well.

In the end, those who chose to act out behaviors outside of the norms established and still held by the Church put themselves in a position where going to Mass no longer mattered.

1980s No-Fault Divorce, created out of thin air, completes its sweep of the US. Although some divorces were valid and necessary, others were not. When it's no one's fault, the system gets abused.

Things get worse in the media with the introduction of "shock jocks" in the 1990s.

The American family and normal human sexual conduct, not to mention a sense of community, was and still is being attacked.

Sexual abuse in the Church, though not as widespread as some would have you believe, followed by the Boy Scouts of America declaring bankruptcy over sexual abuse. When normal sexual conduct is abused over decades, along with the addition of graphic pornography, people can get caught up in perverse sexual behaviors in real life. Priests are men and subject to certain temptations. Look at sexual abuse by teachers in public schools.

The Church survives because it is the Bride of Christ, against which the gates of hell will not prevail. See Matthew 16: 18, and do not deviate from what you were taught. God is with you daily.


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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
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A more charitable response would have been to assume that the bishop meant "age of the universe" rather than "age of the earth."

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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
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Since reading this 'big' book called 'Witness to Hope' by Pope John Paul ii I feel a lot better about Vatican II and the changes.:D

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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
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Muirfield wrote:
Since reading this 'big' book called 'Witness to Hope' by Pope John Paul ii I feel a lot better about Vatican II and the changes.:D

Don't give in! Resist! Not my religion! St Michael can help you.

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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
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 Post subject: Re: The Catholic Church
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Vern Humphrey wrote:
All too often our Bishops fail to understand that they don't know everything, and that study is necessary when venturing outside their ecclesial realm. For example, our Bishop published an editorial in the Diocesan newspaper attacking "Creation Science." In that letter he assured us the earth is 14 billion years old!

He composed that editorial on a computer and all he had to do was type into his search engine the question, "How old is the earth?" That would have led him to the NASA site, and he would have learned the earth is only 4 1/2 billion years old.

The irony here is that in one corner we have the most rabid Fundamentalist in the world, foaming at the mouth, demanding we believe the earth is only 6,000 years old. He's wrong by 4 1/2 billion years.

And in the other corner, we have a Catholic Bishop demanding we believe the earth is 14 billion years -- and he's wrong by twice as much!!

This happens again and again -- whenever the Bishop ventures into politics, science, law, social problems and so on, his lack of study and knowledge is embarassingly apparent.


Bishop Taylor is an outstanding Bishop and we are lucky to have him....the fact that you disagree with him doesn’t indicate a lack of knowledge...at least not on his part.

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