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I need the entire Annals of the DEEP SKY. It is seen as the successor to Burhnam's Celestial Handbook. Volumes 1-5 have been published. I estimate another 15-17 volumes will be needed to complete the series. They are paperback; I'm sure to keep costs down. At $30 each, they should only set me back about $650. If published at the current rate, the series should be complete around 2023 - that assumes that the volumes are basically written and just have to be prepared for publication.

I am thinking of getting Vol 1 just to check it out, but, with my penchant for collecting books, I know what will happen. And, shudder, suppose they publish a hardback version.

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:argh :argh :argh

Just read a post by the authors. They are aiming for one volume a year from here out. That means completion around 2030-2035.

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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Book Reviews
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 3:51 pm 
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I've read 2 Ender sequels, SPEAKER FOR THE DEAD and something else that isn't SPEAKER FOR THE DEAD. Oh, yeah. XENOCIDE. I liked them well enough and own several more such; 4-5 titles at least. I was about to read one of them, title forgotten, but Fr. Obi-Wan threatened me with something vaguely theological sounding if I did, so I didn't.



Oh, when did you read those? I could swear the last time I talked to you about it you said you had never read any of the sequels. :scratch:

Xenocide is where Card's Mormon theology starts to creep into the story. In Xenocide, Ender theorizes about the ansible and he speculates about the pre-existence of the soul. Ender's theories are actually Mormon belief, and the resolution of the story hinges on Ender's belief in pre-existence being right. At no point in the narrative does Card ever draw an explicit connection between Ender's theories and Mormonism, and many of the readers of the novel might not even be aware that Card has introduced Mormon ideas into the story. I recognized it only because I have some pre-existing knowledge of Mormonism.

I don't think I'm really all that bothered by the Crypto-Mormonism in the story, I figure it's just fiction and at any rate, Card can only draw on his own personal experience, after all, what is it that writing teacher tells you? 'Write about what you know', and that is what he knows. And Card's Mormon assumptions are certainly less offensive than the sometimes explicitly atheistic assumptions present in the works of science fiction giants like Asimov and Clarke.

The last two books in the Ender Quartet, 'Xenocide' and 'Children of the Mind' are similar to the Chronicles of Narnia. I think many readers of Narnia never really notice the crypto-Christian themes in it. Many people read 'The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe' and never draw a connection between Aslan's death and the crucifixion. I know that I was about 10 years old I saw the old BBC production of 'TLTWATW' and didn't notice a thing. It was only when I read the series as an adult that the subtext became apparent to me. The Ender series is kind of a Mormon Narnia. I figure that there are plenty of non-Christians who enjoy the Narnia series simply as a fantasy story, I figure I can enjoy the Ender Saga in the same way, without really absorbing Card's Mormonism.

If you've read all the way to Xenocide, then you've gotten as far into that series as is necessary, the concluding volume 'Children of the Mind' is not particularly good.

I would recommend the Bean Quartet, starting with 'Ender's Shadow' which is a parallel novel to Ender's Game told from the perspective of Bean. The Bean quartet is excellent and doesn't seem to me to have the crypto-Mormonism of the Ender quartet except for one thing: in the Bean quartet, there is a strong emphasis on the importance of marriage and child-rearing as being the purpose of existence. But then, I suppose you don't have to be Mormon to believe that.


And this (heck, I should just let Doom be me).

"Speaker For The Dead" is a book where I envy someone who has not read it, because, you only get to read it for the first time once. It is THAT good.

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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Book Reviews
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 3:57 pm 
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Highlander wrote:
I need the entire Annals of the DEEP SKY. It is seen as the successor to Burhnam's Celestial Handbook. Volumes 1-5 have been published. I estimate another 15-17 volumes will be needed to complete the series. They are paperback; I'm sure to keep costs down. At $30 each, they should only set me back about $650. If published at the current rate, the series should be complete around 2023 - that assumes that the volumes are basically written and just have to be prepared for publication.

I am thinking of getting Vol 1 just to check it out, but, with my penchant for collecting books, I know what will happen. And, shudder, suppose they publish a hardback version.


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Your...penchant...for...?

Your problem, as to these, is certainly manageable. When I decided to go after the Ignatius collection of Chesterton, primarily to complete my collection of his Illustrated London News articles, and 1-2 other things, like poems, it took me 17 volumes over 10 years to do so. Only 3 were in hardback, luckily. Just buy them steadily, but not excessively. Timing.

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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Book Reviews
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And this (heck, I should just let Doom be me).

"Speaker For The Dead" is a book where I envy someone who has not read it, because, you only get to read it for the first time once. It is THAT good.


And I think you like Ellison, too?

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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Book Reviews
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Highlander wrote:
I need the entire Annals of the DEEP SKY. It is seen as the successor to Burhnam's Celestial Handbook. Volumes 1-5 have been published. I estimate another 15-17 volumes will be needed to complete the series. They are paperback; I'm sure to keep costs down. At $30 each, they should only set me back about $650. If published at the current rate, the series should be complete around 2023 - that assumes that the volumes are basically written and just have to be prepared for publication.

I am thinking of getting Vol 1 just to check it out, but, with my penchant for collecting books, I know what will happen. And, shudder, suppose they publish a hardback version.

Edit:

:argh :argh :argh

Just read a post by the authors. They are aiming for one volume a year from here out. That means completion around 2030-2035.



Ah, well. No need to buy more books, then.

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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Book Reviews
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GKC wrote:
Highlander wrote:
I need the entire Annals of the DEEP SKY. It is seen as the successor to Burhnam's Celestial Handbook. Volumes 1-5 have been published. I estimate another 15-17 volumes will be needed to complete the series. They are paperback; I'm sure to keep costs down. At $30 each, they should only set me back about $650. If published at the current rate, the series should be complete around 2023 - that assumes that the volumes are basically written and just have to be prepared for publication.

I am thinking of getting Vol 1 just to check it out, but, with my penchant for collecting books, I know what will happen. And, shudder, suppose they publish a hardback version.

Edit:

:argh :argh :argh

Just read a post by the authors. They are aiming for one volume a year from here out. That means completion around 2030-2035.



Ah, well. No need to buy more books, then.



:thumbsup: :sunny: :thumbsup: :sunny: :thumbsup: :sunny:

More research indicates that the authors plan to finish the series with a total of 12 volumes by @ 2025.

So linear extrapolation is not always accurate.

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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Book Reviews
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 4:19 pm 
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And I think you like Ellison, too?


Ellison writes books? I thought he made his living by filing lawsuits?

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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Book Reviews
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Well played, Sir.

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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Book Reviews
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 4:33 pm 
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Highlander wrote:
GKC wrote:
Highlander wrote:
I need the entire Annals of the DEEP SKY. It is seen as the successor to Burhnam's Celestial Handbook. Volumes 1-5 have been published. I estimate another 15-17 volumes will be needed to complete the series. They are paperback; I'm sure to keep costs down. At $30 each, they should only set me back about $650. If published at the current rate, the series should be complete around 2023 - that assumes that the volumes are basically written and just have to be prepared for publication.

I am thinking of getting Vol 1 just to check it out, but, with my penchant for collecting books, I know what will happen. And, shudder, suppose they publish a hardback version.

Edit:

:argh :argh :argh

Just read a post by the authors. They are aiming for one volume a year from here out. That means completion around 2030-2035.



Ah, well. No need to buy more books, then.



:thumbsup: :sunny: :thumbsup: :sunny: :thumbsup: :sunny:

More research indicates that the authors plan to finish the series with a total of 12 volumes by @ 2025.

So linear extrapolation is not always accurate.


:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Just received the following from the author(s). After asking them how many volumes might there be:

We're not sure yet. The constellations vary so much in length, depending on content, and we produce each volume when it reaches about the same length as the previous one. We have done some projections for total volume number, but they are both scary and probably inaccurate.

Oh, fie. The horse's mouth is always better than guesstimates, educated or not. This roller coaster of book anticipation is just too draining. Especially the "scary" part.

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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Book Reviews
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Highlander wrote:
Highlander wrote:
GKC wrote:
Highlander wrote:
I need the entire Annals of the DEEP SKY. It is seen as the successor to Burhnam's Celestial Handbook. Volumes 1-5 have been published. I estimate another 15-17 volumes will be needed to complete the series. They are paperback; I'm sure to keep costs down. At $30 each, they should only set me back about $650. If published at the current rate, the series should be complete around 2023 - that assumes that the volumes are basically written and just have to be prepared for publication.

I am thinking of getting Vol 1 just to check it out, but, with my penchant for collecting books, I know what will happen. And, shudder, suppose they publish a hardback version.

Edit:

:argh :argh :argh

Just read a post by the authors. They are aiming for one volume a year from here out. That means completion around 2030-2035.



Ah, well. No need to buy more books, then.



:thumbsup: :sunny: :thumbsup: :sunny: :thumbsup: :sunny:

More research indicates that the authors plan to finish the series with a total of 12 volumes by @ 2025.

So linear extrapolation is not always accurate.


:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

Just received the following from the author(s). After asking them how many volumes might there be:

We're not sure yet. The constellations vary so much in length, depending on content, and we produce each volume when it reaches about the same length as the previous one. We have done some projections for total volume number, but they are both scary and probably inaccurate.

Oh, fie. The horse's mouth is always better than guesstimates, educated or not. This roller coaster of book anticipation is just too draining. Especially the "scary" part.


Just say "NO".

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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Book Reviews
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Doom wrote:
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And I think you like Ellison, too?


Ellison writes books? I thought he made his living by filing lawsuits?


He's always been very nice to me and my family.

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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Book Reviews
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 6:21 pm 
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GKC wrote:
Doom wrote:
GKC wrote:

And I think you like Ellison, too?


Ellison writes books? I thought he made his living by filing lawsuits?


He's always been very nice to me and my family.


I think your summons arrives next week.

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 Post subject: Re: Amazon Book Reviews
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2018 6:29 pm 
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Highlander wrote:
GKC wrote:
Doom wrote:
GKC wrote:

And I think you like Ellison, too?


Ellison writes books? I thought he made his living by filing lawsuits?


He's always been very nice to me and my family.


I think your summons arrives next week.


I gave a false name and address.

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GKC wrote:
Highlander wrote:
GKC wrote:
Doom wrote:
GKC wrote:

And I think you like Ellison, too?


Ellison writes books? I thought he made his living by filing lawsuits?


He's always been very nice to me and my family.


I think your summons arrives next week.


I gave a false name and address.

Maybe that's why my summons arrived this week.

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Highlander wrote:
GKC wrote:
Highlander wrote:
GKC wrote:
Doom wrote:

Ellison writes books? I thought he made his living by filing lawsuits?


He's always been very nice to me and my family.


I think your summons arrives next week.


I gave a false name and address.

Maybe that's why my summons arrived this week.


No need to thank me.

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GKC wrote:
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And this (heck, I should just let Doom be me).

"Speaker For The Dead" is a book where I envy someone who has not read it, because, you only get to read it for the first time once. It is THAT good.


And I think you like Ellison, too?


I ALMOST named my son Ellison.

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GKC wrote:
Doom wrote:
GKC wrote:

And I think you like Ellison, too?


Ellison writes books? I thought he made his living by filing lawsuits?


He's always been very nice to me and my family.


I wanted to meet the man once in my life, now between health and finances and his own age... :crying:

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GKC wrote:
Highlander wrote:
GKC wrote:
Highlander wrote:
GKC wrote:

He's always been very nice to me and my family.


I think your summons arrives next week.


I gave a false name and address.

Maybe that's why my summons arrived this week.


No need to thank me.

You're welcome.

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