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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:55 pm 
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:shock: I can't believe gherkin edited my post like that! :shock:

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More precisely, someone owns the copyright, but it is cost-prohibitive to find out who, and 90% of the actual owners wouldn't be interested in the minimal income anyhow. But since they can't be identified, there's a legal risk in distributing anything still in copyright lest an owner appear and sue.


Who could possibly own the copyright to the works of a childless priest with no heirs, other than, I suppose, the government or his diocese? Baronius Press was able to reprint his Bible only after more than a decade of negotiations with the diocese of London which owned the copyright, why the diocese was so hesitant to make money off a copyright that had been sitting around unused for close to 50 years is beyond my capacity to understand.


Another good question is: if the copyright owner is aware that he owns a copyright, and believes it isn't worth the effort to try to get the work back into publication to make money off it, then what is the point of even owning the copyright in the first place? If I owned a copyright to a work that I didn't think was worth anything, I would either try to sell the copyright or just fill out the paperwork to renounce the copyright and put the work in the public domain.

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 Post subject: Re: Enthusiasm
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Who could possibly own the copyright to the works of a childless priest with no heirs

If he left a will, then whoever he left them to. If he didn't, then inheritance laws specify how it works--siblings, cousins, nieces and nephews, whatever.

And that's assuming he kept ownership of the copyright himself.

Copyright law in the US (and probably other places) is set up the way the big entertainment corporations want it, not in any way that makes actual practical sense.

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 Post subject: Re: Enthusiasm
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Title                 Enthusiasm; a chapter in the history of religion with special reference to the XVII and XVIII centuries.
Author                Ronald A. Knox.
Registration Date     26Oct50
Renewal Date          28Dec78
Registration Number   A49042
Renewal Id            RE041533
Renewing Entity       Earl of Oxford and Asquith, Julian Edward George Asquith (E)


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So it's the same person (presumably the third Earl of wherever) who holds the copyright to The Belief of Catholics, which Ignatius was able to re-publish.

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 Post subject: Re: Enthusiasm
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Sheed and Ward did the renewal for Knox's translation of the OT, so Baronius was dealing with someone else in getting that reprinted. Either the NT was done after the need for renewals was done away with, or it wasn't renewed, or it's not showing up in that database for some other reason.

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 Post subject: Re: Enthusiasm
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I would guess that the holdup here is not the copyright; it's that no one has plates to print more copies with, and no one thinks that the market will bear what it would cost to retypeset the book.

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I would guess that the holdup here is not the copyright; it's that no one has plates to print more copies with, and no one thinks that the market will bear what it would cost to retypeset the book.


It costs next to nothing to convert it to an e-book.

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More if you want one without scannos and with proper formatting.

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But only a fraction of what it costs to print, with a much higher return on your initial investment. And, if the owner doesn't find the copyright worthwhile, they could try selling it and letting someone else worry about it or just letting the work the public domain. I see no point in holding on to a copyright if you don't intend to do something with it.

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There was an attempt a few years ago to get a law freeing orphaned works that were obviously abandoned by their owners. It didn't pass :(

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Interestingly (to me, at least), my University of Notre Dame Press copy of Enthusiasm was published in 1994 using what look like the Newman Press's plates from the 1950s. No copyright renewal notice was printed.

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There was an attempt a few years ago to get a law freeing orphaned works that were obviously abandoned by their owners. It didn't pass :(


What concerns me is that under the 1998 law, a lot of stuff is going to enter the public domain starting on January 1, 2019. And then more every year. Is Congress going to actually LET these copyrights lapse, or are they going to do the same thing they did 20 years ago and pass yet another unnecessary copyright extension act to prevent it from happening? 2018 is the moment of truth testing whether Congress will ever let anything entire the public domain again. There is absolutely no talk yet of any copyright extension act, but then Congress has a way of passing these things late at night with little public debate when no one is looking.

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There was an attempt a few years ago to get a law freeing orphaned works that were obviously abandoned by their owners. It didn't pass :(


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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
There was an attempt a few years ago to get a law freeing orphaned works that were obviously abandoned by their owners. It didn't pass :(


What concerns me is that under the 1998 law, a lot of stuff is going to enter the public domain starting on January 1, 2019. And then more every year. Is Congress going to actually LET these copyrights lapse, or are they going to do the same thing they did 20 years ago and pass yet another unnecessary copyright extension act to prevent it from happening? 2018 is the moment of truth testing whether Congress will ever let anything entire the public domain again. There is absolutely no talk yet of any copyright extension act, but then Congress has a way of passing these things late at night with little public debate when no one is looking.

If they want to make Disney pay $10M a year to keep Steamboat Willie under copyright, I'd be cool with that. Let those who really want to hang on to their copyrights do so, and let the rest go free. But that's probably too sensible.

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
There was an attempt a few years ago to get a law freeing orphaned works that were obviously abandoned by their owners. It didn't pass :(


What concerns me is that under the 1998 law, a lot of stuff is going to enter the public domain starting on January 1, 2019. And then more every year. Is Congress going to actually LET these copyrights lapse, or are they going to do the same thing they did 20 years ago and pass yet another unnecessary copyright extension act to prevent it from happening? 2018 is the moment of truth testing whether Congress will ever let anything entire the public domain again. There is absolutely no talk yet of any copyright extension act, but then Congress has a way of passing these things late at night with little public debate when no one is looking.

If they want to make Disney pay $10M a year to keep Steamboat Willie under copyright, I'd be cool with that. Let those who really want to hang on to their copyrights do so, and let the rest go free. But that's probably too sensible.


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Am I the only person who saw the title of this thread and immediately thought of this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-sV-O2-jCY

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Am I the only person who saw the title of this thread and immediately thought of this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-sV-O2-jCY

Guess I'm slated for more time in Purgatory than I'd thought. :shock: :shock: :shock: :oops:



I'm not gonna click that for fear of the word "curb".

Just cautious.

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Curb? :scratch: You lost me there, compadre.

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Poor orphaned works. :cry:

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Curb? :scratch: You lost me there, compadre.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_Your_Enthusiasm

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