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Author:  Thinks2much [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:20 am ]
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From another thread:
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I was reading a SF book some time back where people sold their bodies to rich people who had their memories transferred in. In the book Irish Catholics refused to participate in vein or using these borrowed bodies and one of the characters exclaimed, "what do you expect, they still don't use birth control!" And it was not the first one, often in science fiction Catholic character's (Ender's dad, Gattaca's parents, the hermit in Canticle for Leibowitz, the Suk doctor in Dune) Some people have a grudging respect for our constancy. We often figure in science fiction as the last guardians of morality. Why is that?

Science fiction is the last bastion of morality in literature. It is inherently a conservative genre, critical of progress. That is why so many SF people are conservatives. It is the last good art form of conservatives where form is still prized along with ideals. See white written here: Its the last viable, mass consumable platform for conservatives to spread their ideas

Encourage your kids to read, write and promote good wholesome SF.

Live Long and Prosper..... :mrgreen:

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Science Fiction: a manifesto

Modern SF, with few exceptions, toes the radical secular humanist line. Name another current author other than Orson Scott Card who treats religion with anything other than disdain or bemused tolerance on the assumption that the religion in question has conceded or is moving to concede (e.g., the Honor Harrington series) on matters of import to secular humanism. And Card's opposition to gay "marriage" is getting him run out of town too.

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:51 am ]
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In other words, Heinlein's views have prevailed.

Author:  faithfulservant [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:03 am ]
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i knew there would be a heinlein reference in there somewhere :fyi: :wave

Author:  Thinks2much [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Science Fiction: a manifesto

I don't expect SF to be theology but if it presents new against tradition/nature then its already on the right track. Art is not this exact thing.
I disagree, the new crop of sf writers may not be winning the pc nebulas but there's a few obscure names besides Ringo and Stephenson that given time will come up.

Author:  GKC [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:44 pm ]
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Thinks2much wrote:
I don't expect SF to be theology but if it presents new against tradition/nature then its already on the right track. Art is not this exact thing.
I disagree, the new crop of sf writers may not be winning the pc nebulas but there's a few obscure names besides Ringo and Stephenson that given time will come up.



There is a rather open civil war in SF-dom, with the Science Fiction Writers Association and the structures awarding the Hugos and the Nebulas on one side, warring on Western culture, racism, sexism, inperialism, and (if spotted) Judeo-Christian religion, and the group referred to as Baen writers, after that publishing House (Weber, Ringo, Kratman, Correia), and the sort of folk who get the Prometheus awards (these are all mainly military/libertarian in orientation) on the other, plus folk like Sarah Hoyt and John Wright. Much hostile chatter on some sites I have stumbled upon. It's the Evil league of Evil, as Larry Correia named his side, versus the PC/intersectionalists on the other. Google SF intersectionalist and read the blogs. Legacy giants like Poul Anderson and (naturally) Heinlein) are savaged by the gender bending crowd. Reminds me of the Futurist teapost tempest of the 30s-40s.

One may conjecture which group I buy and read.

GKC

Author:  Peregrinator [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:10 pm ]
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Thinks2much wrote:
the Suk doctor in Dune

Dr. Yueh is Catholic? I don't think that's right. He gives an "Orange Catholic Bible" to Paul but the "Catholic" in "Orange Catholic Bible" does not at all refer to what we know as Catholicism. It is supposed to be a universal ("catholic") religious text.

Author:  Peregrinator [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:16 pm ]
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GKC wrote:
Legacy giants like ... Heinlein are savaged by the gender bending crowd.

That's odd, is Heinlein not enough of a gender-bender for them (Cf. The Number of the Beast, I Will Fear No Evil)?

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:23 pm ]
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And the uncut version of Stranger in a Strange Land? (Actually the cut version is bad enough.)

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:25 pm ]
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But the gender-bender crowd is also pro-big government and anti-military, and Heinlein is anathema on both counts.

Author:  GKC [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:32 pm ]
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
But the gender-bender crowd is also pro-big government and anti-military, and Heinlein is anathema on both counts.



Which is why they trash him. And no, he's not enough gender transformer for them.

GKC

Author:  GKC [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:34 pm ]
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Bagheera wrote:
GKC wrote:
Legacy giants like ... Heinlein are savaged by the gender bending crowd.

That's odd, is Heinlein not enough of a gender-bender for them (Cf. The Number of the Beast, I Will Fear No Evil)?



They have a most severe doctrinal purity.

GKC

Author:  GKC [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:35 pm ]
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
And the uncut version of Stranger in a Strange Land? (Actually the cut version is bad enough.)



More than bad enough for me.

GKC

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