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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2020 1:05 pm 
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under state mandated limitations of course but am happy to report that our parish is starting to celebrate Mass this weekend with new starting times and restricted numbers

am unhappy to mention we will not be attending, nor will we be for quite some time :( :cry: :crying: :crying: :crying:

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Our bishop has extended the dispensation from attending Mass until May 31, regardless of when public Masses resume. I haven’t yet heard any word on when that will be, although several parishes in the area have resumed regular times for Reconciliation and Adoration (in conformance with social distancing guidelines).

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 Post subject: Re: those whose Mass resumes this weekend
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yeah, we've had rumblings about confession for 2 weeks now... though i have not seen adoration mentioned yet

seems like adoration (with social distancing) would be a very important thing to get started ASAP

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yeah, we've had rumblings about confession for 2 weeks now

Have confessions been """suspended""" in your diocese?

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faithfulservant wrote:
yeah, we've had rumblings about confession for 2 weeks now... though i have not seen adoration mentioned yet

seems like adoration (with social distancing) would be a very important thing to get started ASAP


Have you checked for the latest from your Diocese? This is a handy dandy link to Diocese websites:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news ... cese-61864

We have had confessions and adoration 7 days a week since "shutdown" began.

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yeah, we've had rumblings about confession for 2 weeks now

Have confessions been """suspended""" in your diocese?


no, confessions have been allowed to resume starting last week...or at least that's what the bulletins said... not positive of the particulars

i'm pretty sure the word was during the "quarantine", we could still make an appt to have our confessions heard with no problem...can not say one way or the other as i did not avail myself of the opportunity

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faithfulservant wrote:
yeah, we've had rumblings about confession for 2 weeks now... though i have not seen adoration mentioned yet

seems like adoration (with social distancing) would be a very important thing to get started ASAP


Have you checked for the latest from your Diocese? This is a handy dandy link to Diocese websites:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news ... cese-61864

We have had confessions and adoration 7 days a week since "shutdown" began.


i'm pretty sure i heard "or remember" that they were suspending Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament until further notice

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West Virginia has started opening things back up, but from what I understand, places of worship won't be allowed to reopen until at least next week (after Sunday). It remains to be seen how the diocese will proceed.

I'm minutes from the PA border, but right now sneaking into PA for Mass is not an option, because only parts of PA are starting to ease restrictions ... and not the part I'm next to.

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Frankly this is becoming stupider and stupider by the moment.
There have been plenty of plagues and epidemics in American history, including the Hong Kong flu epidemics of 1968 in 1957, the Spanish flu epidemic of 1918 and the cholera epidemic of 1832, among many many others. All of these epidemics were far more deadly than what we're facing now and yet nobody said everyone should be forced to stay in their home cowering in fear hiding under the bed for months at a time.

This kind of reaction is unprecedented and totally unjustified, and not only unjustified but probably causes more harm than good.

If you look at it, there are eight states in the Union that never locked down their economies to the extent of the other states. And yet it's no worse in those eight states than in the other 42.

in fact if you remove New York City entirely from the equation then this is little more than just a slightly more severe than average flu season. Whatever it is this is not an American problem it's a New York City problem. There are more deaths and more cases of covid-19 in the city of New York then in the rest of the country combined. there are more cases of covid-19 in New York City than in the entire State of California. this is a New York City problem not a problem for the entire country.



There are also entire countries that never locked down and basically responded by doing nothing, including South Korea, Taiwan, the Netherlands and Sweden. And those countries are doing no worse than the countries that shut everything down.

No matter how long the lockdown last eventually we're all going to become Sweden, by which I mean we all decide to go out and just live our lives despite the fact that the viruses there. There seems to be little point in delaying the inevitable, and pushing back the inevitable is only causing more harm than good.

This lockdown is a failed experiment it's time to end it.

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 Post subject: Re: those whose Mass resumes this weekend
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"this is little more than just a slightly more severe than average flu season"

No, because the lockdowns prevented the transmission of the virus on par with the transmission of the flu. New York's primary issue is that they dithered instead of locking down, and this is the reason that so many people living in NYC's metropolitan area have caught the infection and died. Deaths in NY are now going down because coronavirus cases resolve after about a month, either with recovery or death (NY locked down on March 15, but there were some further delays even then).

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There are also entire countries that never locked down and basically responded by doing nothing, including South Korea, Taiwan, the Netherlands and Sweden. And those countries are doing no worse than the countries that shut everything down.

You're mistaken if you think those countries never locked down (Sweden may be the outlier, but the voluntary measures have practically amounted to a lockdown -- and still, they are doing far worse than their immediate neighbors). Lockdowns take different forms, from China welding people into their homes, to South Korea using aggressive testing, contact tracing, and enforced quarantines -- even using tracking software to see if people were leaving their homes, e.g. by using their credit cards. Now you can imagine how Americans would react if the Chinese approach or even the South Korean approach were used. Heck, I doubt Americans would even follow the Swedish model of voluntary measures. Therefore mandatory measures were necessary.

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 Post subject: Re: those whose Mass resumes this weekend
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sooooo.... anyone else able to go to Mass this weekend?

anyone assisting at Mass this weekend?

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sooooo.... anyone else able to go to Mass this weekend?

anyone assisting at Mass this weekend?


If by assisting you mean was the techie for the on-line Mass and other things, yes!

Our Bishop has not announced any plans. I believe he is expected to make an update on the 8th.

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as i posted in another thread, Mass was celebrated at our parish this weekend with the loss of only one time slot... here was the email (or part of it!) that we received friday evening... i think our capacityis 1600, so 400 will be allowed in...doubt any Mass got that large

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Prince of Peace WILL celebrate public Sunday Masses THIS weekend, May 2-3, 2020 allowing a limited number of participants inside per the 25% capacity threshold requirement as outlined by the Governor. Participants in the high-risk category including those experiencing any symptoms of illness should remain at home and worship along with the video stream available on our website or social media channels.

Our 25% Capacity Public Weekend Mass schedule will be as follows: (modified in order to allow for sanitization)

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5pm – English
7:00pm – Spanish

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7:30am – English
10:45am – English
12:10pm – Traditional Latin Mass (St. Andrew Center)
2:00pm – Spanish
5:00pm – English
7:00pm – Spanish

While we are unable to welcome all parishioners this weekend due to the Governor’s 25% capacity requirements, we ask those planning to attend to please be patient and prepared to follow all social distancing norms already in place including a 6 foot distance from those not in your household. In addition, participants are asked to wear a mask for the duration of Mass and bring a personal bottle of hand sanitizer as Prince of Peace will provide hand sanitizer in a limited quantity but will not provide masks.

One main entrance will be made available so as to keep an accurate count of participants. All other doors will be exits only. Since there is a chance not everyone will be permitted inside due to the limited capacity, it is suggested to bring a chair and umbrella to sit outside where you will be able to hear the audio broadcast of the Mass.

It is encouraged to receive communion in your hand and only our clergy will be distributing communion to the faithful including those outside. Use of personal hand sanitizer before communion is strongly advised. Masks should be worn in the communion line as well. After you receive communion in your hand please step to the side, remove your mask, consume the Eucharist, and then replace your mask as you head back to your seat.

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You're mistaken if you think those countries never locked down (Sweden may be the outlier, but the voluntary measures have practically amounted to a lockdown -- and still, they are doing far worse than their immediate neighbors).
I'm Norwegian (living in the UK for the moment). Norway, which has about 51% of the population of Sweden (5,367,580, compared to 10,333,456), has had about 34.7% of the cases of COVID-19 as Sweden (7,884, compared to 22,721) and about 7.7% of the casualties (214, compared to 2,769). To me it doesn't seem that Sweden's approach is working. I'm not sure why, exactly, that Norway has such a low number of casualties (2.71% of infected), while Sweden is considerably higher (12.18% of infected).

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I think it might be because of low measures and people not seeking medical attention before it was too late.

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No Mass here yet in the Pittsburgh Diocese except the online kind.

Confession has resumed in the parking lots of the 3 Churches that make up my parish grouping.

There is a Church nearby that has 24/7 drive up adoration. They've erected a drive up Perpetual Adoration Chapel in the lobby area of the Church (which has large windows). That Church also has drive up confessions in their lower parking lot.

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2020 2:21 pm 
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A return begins toward the end of the month for our archdiocese - 4+ pages of rules and regs, etc.
It speaks to roping off of pews to maintain the required distance, although households may sit together.
Parishes are encouraged to include a daily Mass for olders and compromised only.
The dispensation remains in place for now.

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I checked the website for the Diocese of Nashville today; it said that Bishop Spaulding hopes to resume public Masses "sometime around the middle of the month," although he said in a letter last month that the dispensation of the Sunday obligation will remain suspended until the end of this month even if public Masses resume before then.

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My parish released this coming Sunday's bulletin online. It included this info from the diocese:

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As government officials begin the process of reopening the economy in the midst of the COVID19 pandemic, plans are underway to resume the public celebration of Mass in Churches across the Diocese. Msgr. Eugene Ostrowski, vicar general for the Diocese of WheelingCharleston, and a committee, compiled of religious and lay leaders, are working on recommendations to safely resume the public celebration of the Mass. “The Governor has laid out a series of specific guidelines that must be followed in order to safely resume the public celebration of Mass in Churches across the state after the stay at home order is lifted,” Bishop Brennan said. “While respecting our public officials’ norms, we are developing our plan for the resumption of public Masses on the basis of Catholic liturgical practice and Church law as well as with an abundance of caution to preserve the health and safety of our people and their priests. “Additionally, the dispensation to attend Mass on Sunday will be continued until further notice. There are many across our Diocese who are elderly or who are in what health officials deem ‘high risk’ for COVID19. We must continue the dispensation for their benefit, and I encourage those faithful to remain in their homes and continue to watch Masses on TV or via live stream.

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