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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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Fr Amorth and Fr Ripperger have both called Harry Potter of the devil


Fr. Amorth was the Catholic Jack Chick, you'll need a more credible source than that.


Fr. Amorth was an active exorcist, if anyone going to know about demons, would it not be him?

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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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You're so right, Gherkin. Isn't "you can't diagnose someone you haven't met" or something along those lines one of the rules of the trade, so to speak?


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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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Some people just call any story involving magic demonic. Harry Potter is essentially a story of good vs evil. Not all that different from any other. If anything is demonic in the story it is the representation of the antagonist. Which really makes the gist of the story quite the opposite of being demonic.

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Wait.

gherkin was ....right?

Or ...who is Gherkin?

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Fr Amorth and Fr Ripperger have both called Harry Potter of the devil


Fr. Amorth was the Catholic Jack Chick, you'll need a more credible source than that.


Fr. Amorth was an active exorcist, if anyone going to know about demons, would it not be him?

The problem is (and this goes for Fr. Ripperger too) that when you devote yourself to fighting something, you tend to see it everywhere, even in places where it's not. There have been long-standing questions about Fr. Amorth's credibility, or at least his good judgment (see this and for example). I have seen things from Fr. Ripperger of late that I also find rather unlikely. I do not accuse either one of deliberate lies; I am afraid both got so close to their subject that they lost perspective.

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The problem is (and this goes for Fr. Ripperger too) that when you devote yourself to fighting something, you tend to see it everywhere, even in places where it's not. There have been long-standing questions about Fr. Amorth's credibility, or at least his good judgment (see this and for example). I have seen things from Fr. Ripperger of late that I also find rather unlikely. I do not accuse either one of deliberate lies; I am afraid both got so close to their subject that they lost perspective.


That is certainly an excellent point. However, I don't think it is appropriate to call either Fr. Amorth or Fr. Ripperger (or Fr. Mendoza for that matter) the "Jack Chick" of Catholicism.

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In the Harry Potter books they celebrate Christmas.


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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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Yes, it is of the Devil.

Proof: truth and beauty and good are convertible in being. Now objectively, Harry Potter is written in a less literate, more pedestrian way, thus lowering the quality and hence beauty of literature. And hence both its goodness and truth, but Satan is the father of all lies.



Honestly, it is evidence of a decrease in literacy whatever else may be said

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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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"Less literate, more pedestrian"

Less than what? More than what? It is a children's book after all.

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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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It is a children's book after all.
No, that's wrong. J.K. Rowling wants the reader to be roughly the age of Harry Potter when he reads the books. So the first book should be read by people aged 11 and older, the seventh book by people aged 17 and older.

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Doom wrote:
Fr. Amorth was the Catholic Jack Chick, you'll need a more credible source than that.

I wish I had seen this comment before reading his book. Buh-RUH-thuh!

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Yes, it is of the Devil.

Proof: truth and beauty and good are convertible in being. Now objectively, Harry Potter is written in a less literate, more pedestrian way, thus lowering the quality and hence beauty of literature. And hence both its goodness and truth, but Satan is the father of all lies.



Honestly, it is evidence of a decrease in literacy whatever else may be said

Can you explain, please?

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It is a children's book after all.
No, that's wrong. J.K. Rowling wants the reader to be roughly the age of Harry Potter when he reads the books. So the first book should be read by people aged 11 and older, the seventh book by people aged 17 and older.

17 is still a minor even if it would be better to say "young adult"

The books are progressively more complex in their narrative and themes as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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ForeverFaithful wrote:
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It is a children's book after all.
No, that's wrong. J.K. Rowling wants the reader to be roughly the age of Harry Potter when he reads the books. So the first book should be read by people aged 11 and older, the seventh book by people aged 17 and older.

17 is still a minor even if it would be better to say "young adult"

The books are progressively more complex in their narrative and themes as well.

Compare it to "children's lit" of previous generations. I am anti young-adult, and "children lit" anyways, at least as the modern conception goes which just dumbs down reading in order to be more "relevant"

There are far better choices for that age. Rowling is an overrated hack that has assaulted the English tongue.

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I never thought of the "Harry Potter" as more than what is described here:

    They are modern fairy tales with predominant spiritual themes. They describe the struggle between good and evil and the ultimate triumph of the good through the courage and ingenuity of the human spirit, and the power of human love. The survival of the infant Harry against the onslaught of the evil Lord Voldemort that cost the lives of his parents, is repeatedly attributed to the power of his mother's love and her willingness to sacrifice her very life on the altar of this love....

    In each of the stories, Harry and his friends triumph over the evil Lord Voldemort through the spiritual power of goodness implanted in Harry, the strength of the powerful bond of friendship between Harry and the faithful Ron, the ingenuity and the problem-solving ability of the studious Hermione, and the courage of all of them combined.

Source. aish.com. Note: I did not read beyond the intro.

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Pro Ecclesia Dei wrote:
Compare it to "children's lit" of previous generations. I am anti young-adult, and "children lit" anyways, at least as the modern conception goes which just dumbs down reading in order to be more "relevant"

There are far better choices for that age. Rowling is an overrated hack that has assaulted the English tongue.


1. What are, in your opinion, the best English-language books for people 10-20 years old?
2. How has Rowling assaulted the English language?
3. Can poorly written books be judged for that reason to be of the devil?

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Fr. Ripperger's issue is that the series contains real curses/spells taken from actual witchcraft. If one can disprove it (or prove it?), then there you go. I have never looked into it, so I have no idea.

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I never thought of the "Harry Potter" as more than what is described here:

    They are modern fairy tales with predominant spiritual themes. They describe the struggle between good and evil and the ultimate triumph of the good through the courage and ingenuity of the human spirit, and the power of human love. The survival of the infant Harry against the onslaught of the evil Lord Voldemort that cost the lives of his parents, is repeatedly attributed to the power of his mother's love and her willingness to sacrifice her very life on the altar of this love....

    In each of the stories, Harry and his friends triumph over the evil Lord Voldemort through the spiritual power of goodness implanted in Harry, the strength of the powerful bond of friendship between Harry and the faithful Ron, the ingenuity and the problem-solving ability of the studious Hermione, and the courage of all of them combined.

Source. aish.com. Note: I did not read beyond the intro.

Agree.

How can the triumph of good over evil be of Satan?

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Fr. Ripperger's issue is that the series contains real curses/spells taken from actual witchcraft. If one can disprove it (or prove it?), then there you go. I have never looked into it, so I have no idea.


His proof is that a woman burned her house down with the spell in the book. That's not true. As I cited before, she was cooking with oil and toothpaste.

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