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 Post subject: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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I've read all the books, seen about half the movies.

There are some who say that they aren't the greatest books, and that may or may not be true.

There are some who say Harry is a terrible role model for young children, and that is spot on but also the whole point. In Order of the Phoenix for example, Harry spends the whole book in an angsty state lashing out at his friends and authority figures. Then at the end of the book, he realizes that this has lead him to tragedy and that he really should have been more mature.

But there are some who say that Harry Potter is actually demonic, and if they're right then obviously that's a huge problem.

But are they?

I wouldn't give them much attention but a lot of them are exorcists, Fr. Amorth (R.I.P.), Fr. Ripperger, and Fr. Pedro Mendoza. So if anyone should know anything about the demonic, you'd think it would be them right?

But I've haven't been able to find an explanation why Fr. Amorth thinks Harry Potter is of Satan, he's never claimed to hear this from demons or anything.

Fr. Ripperger speaks about it here and claims in two ways to get this information from demons: once from an incomplete exorcism and from a second hand account from another exorcist.

But he also repeats things that are just false: 60 percent of the names are the names of demons, a claim I was only able to trace to this letter which in addition to being unverifiable and confusing Harry Potter and Star Wars, is pretty difficult to believe.

He claims a woman in Spain set her house on fire using magic from the book, which is not the case

Fr. Mendoza claims that Harry Potter is harmful because it teaches kids that they can become wizards, but that's not the case. People are born wizards in Harry Potter, it's not something you learn or seek out.


So on one hand, I want to differ to the authority of the exorcists, but on the other, they don't seem to know what Harry Potter actually is. I don't have a strong attachment to the series, but if it is as dangerous as some exorcists suggest it certainly is something that we ought to warn people about, but again I am uncertain.

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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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I'd suggest a search of the archives to see the various points of view on the subject. Personally I am not interested in rehashing that old argument.


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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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Zeno wrote:
I'd suggest a search of the archives to see the various points of view on the subject. Personally I am not interested in rehashing that old argument.

A direct search of the archives for "Harry Potter" brings no results.

The general forum threads that come up when searching "Harry Potter" seem to touch on it more marginally than my OP is attempting.

Maybe I missed something.

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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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We've had some epic threads on Harry Potter. Maybe they've been deleted due to age. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

FWIW, I always took the correct position in those old threads. :fyi: :fyi: :fyi: :fyi: :fyi: :fyi:

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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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gherkin wrote:
We've had some epic threads on Harry Potter. Maybe they've been deleted due to age. :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

FWIW, I always took the correct position in those old threads. :fyi: :fyi: :fyi: :fyi: :fyi: :fyi:


And which position did you take such that I may avoid accept that position

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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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I don't recall the specifics, apart from my being right. :fyi: :fyi: :fyi: :fyi:

OK, roughly my view is that the books are more or less OK. For awhile I was pretty enthusiastic about them, but time has mellowed that into a kind of "meh" response. Rowling's idiocy regarding Dumbledore being homosexual didn't help, and I have fears that the new set of movies is going to exploit that to gravely evil effect. But the books themselves are not demonic. Your responses to the various claims against Potter are right on track. An exorcist might be well able to spot devilry when he sees it, but if he hasn't actually read the books (or paid any attention to them at all) his testimony about them is unlikely to be very valuable.

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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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gherkin wrote:
I don't recall the specifics, apart from my being right. :fyi: :fyi: :fyi: :fyi:

OK, roughly my view is that the books are more or less OK. For awhile I was pretty enthusiastic about them, but time has mellowed that into a kind of "meh" response. Rowling's idiocy regarding Dumbledore being homosexual didn't help, and I have fears that the new set of movies is going to exploit that to gravely evil effect. But the books themselves are not demonic. Your responses to the various claims against Potter are right on track. An exorcist might be well able to spot devilry when he sees it, but if he hasn't actually read the books (or paid any attention to them at all) his testimony about them is unlikely to be very valuable.



I started out "meh" and ended "meh". Wish I had some first editions, though.

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gherkin wrote:

FWIW, I always took the correct position in those old threads. :fyi: :fyi: :fyi: :fyi: :fyi: :fyi:



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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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The question was whether the Harry Potter series was good for children to read, but to say that opponents thought the series was 'from the devil' is frankly a strawman, no one except perhaps Jack Chick ever said that.

Although what I remember is that the one who took the strongest anti position was Catholic Defender, who admitted that he had never read any of them, and who seemed to take an extreme position on a lot of issues, I remember once arguing with him because he insisted that the band Kiss was 'satanic' and that their songs were about devil worship, and when I told him that I was actually quite familiar with the music of Kiss and that I know for a fact that they don't sign about devil worship, but rather more mundane topics like sex, partying, drinking and 'rock and rolling all night', he told that it was bad that I would be familiar with their music, but didn't actually acknowledge my statement that I know that they don't sing about devil worship. IIRC, I think he even took seriously the old urban legend that Kiss stands for 'Knights in Satan's Service'

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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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Fr Amorth and Fr Ripperger have both called Harry Potter of the devil

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 Post subject: Re: Is Harry Potter of the Devil?
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Fr Amorth and Fr Ripperger have both called Harry Potter of the devil


Fr. Amorth was the Catholic Jack Chick, you'll need a more credible source than that.

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