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 Post subject: Peoria wins Sheen appeal
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Hopefully that will be it, and no more appeals.

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Not so fast my friends.....

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 Post subject: Re: Peoria wins Sheen appeal
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The comment about how his cause could have been proceeding all along may have been the worst part of the press release. Setting aside my opinion of where Abp. Sheen's remains should be, AFAIK the Archdiocese of New York has shown no interest in pursuing Sheen's cause, and even objected to his remains being disinterred for the purpose of obtaining relics.

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Raymond Arroyo on Facebook wrote:
For the sake of clarity in the #FultonSheen case: Arch. Sheen wanted to be buried at Calvary Cemetery- the priest cemetery in N.Y.. When he died Card. Cooke got the permission of Joan Cunningham to move him to St. Pats. So the family always has a say in internment. When members of the Sheen Foundation wanted to open his Cause for sainthood (I was a founding member) Card. Eagan of N.Y. was not interested citing other causes in process. Peoria was interested and Eagan gave them assurances that should the Cause proceed, Peoria could have Sheen's remains. When the time came, the NY Arch wanted to keep Sheen's body. Now Joan Cunningham wants Arch. Sheen moved to Peoria where a shrine is being built. In truth, he's in the crypt at St.Pats and his tomb is inaccessible to the public. Given the latest court ruling siding with Joan Cunningham, my solution: NY should keep a few of his relics and allow the rest to reside in Peoria. Fulton Sheen pray for them!

I am not aware of any material assistance from ADNY at any point in the process. I would be glad to be shown that there has been some.

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I don't see Arroyo's proposed solution happening since NY has already objected to taking relics from Sheen's body.

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Perhaps someone can answer a question of mine that, if we were talking fiction, would be regarding a continuity error. The late Archbishop Sheen is recognized and celebrated for his embracing of the new media of radio and, later, television in order to evangelize to people who might otherwise never hear the gospel as proclaimed by the Catholic Church. The current Archbishop of New York, Timothy Cardinal Dolan, has a very similar reputation (although, admittedly, the Archdiocese’s satellite radio station was initiated by his predecessor, +Cardinal Egan).

So, my question is this: why would Cardinal Dolan, as similar to +Archbishop Sheen as he presents himself to be, be the greatest impediment to the late Archbishop’s cause for canonization? It makes no sense. In the interest of fairness, I can understand fighting the Sheen family over removing his remains to Peoria based on the wishes expressed in his will (I’m not saying I necessarily agree or disagree, just that I understand the argument), but why throw a monkey wrench into the canonization process by refusing to allow relics to be taken? That’s what makes no sense.

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There are private tours. But you have to be at a certain level of donating.

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There are private tours. But you have to be at a certain level of donating.

My husband is a relative somehow; as a boy, he actually met Archbishop Sheen at a family gathering. Would he be expected to “pony up,” as well, or (in light of recent events) would he be considered persona non grata?

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I don't see Arroyo's proposed solution happening since NY has already objected to taking relics from Sheen's body.

Given that they've already lost twice in court, they might be more amenable now.

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Mrs. Timmy wrote:
anawim wrote:
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his tomb is inaccessible to the public


There are private tours. But you have to be at a certain level of donating.

My husband is a relative somehow; as a boy, he actually met Archbishop Sheen at a family gathering. Would he be expected to “pony up,” as well, or (in light of recent events) would he be considered persona non grata?


Let me check with someone at 1011 (the archdiocesan offices).
Does your husband know any relative that he can ask what his relationship is?

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anawim wrote:
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his tomb is inaccessible to the public


There are private tours. But you have to be at a certain level of donating.

My husband is a relative somehow; as a boy, he actually met Archbishop Sheen at a family gathering. Would he be expected to “pony up,” as well, or (in light of recent events) would he be considered persona non grata?


Let me check with someone at 1011 (the archdiocesan offices).
Does your husband know any relative that he can ask what his relationship is?

No, they’re all deceased. I’m sure with a little digging, i could find out, but I’d need two things I don’t have: time (all taken up by work and school) and Timmy’s cooperation (he rails at any activity that reminds him of the three decades he spent as a Mormon - the three most egregious to him being Father’s Day, Mother’s Day, and genealogy). Yes, I know none of them are exclusively Mormon, but the fact that he can’t disassociate them renders them as conversational “third rails “

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There are private tours. But you have to be at a certain level of donating.

I've visited his tomb as part of a group and I don't think we donated anything. But it was a pilgrimage for a young man from our parish whose name is Fulton.

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Peregrinator wrote:
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There are private tours. But you have to be at a certain level of donating.

I've visited his tomb as part of a group and I don't think we donated anything. But it was a pilgrimage for a young man from our parish whose name is Fulton.


All I meant is that if you donate, they send you tickets for private tours and other events. There may be other ways to get a private tour, but money is one of them.

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The cynic in me suspects that both dioceses would love to have the remains of a canonized saint in their diocese for reasons that may not be entirely spiritual. That is why they have not proceeded with the cause until the body is in a permanent place. I hate being cynical, but when I read the responses from both sides, it does seem silly that the proceedings haven't continued because of the body's location.

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The cynic in me suspects that both dioceses would love to have the remains of a canonized saint in their diocese for reasons that may not be entirely spiritual. That is why they have not proceeded with the cause until the body is in a permanent place. I hate being cynical, but when I read the responses from both sides, it does seem silly that the proceedings haven't continued because of the body's location.

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I don't know about Peoria, but as far as NY is concerned, you nailed it.

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The real reason the proceedings haven’t continued is that ADNY refuses to allow relics to be collected, which is necessary for the canonization process to go any further. Had that not occurred, th lawsuit to relocate +Sheen’s remains would not have been necessary.

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I don't think that's the case. I mean, yes, it's the case that ADNY was initially refusing to allow the taking of relics at all, but I don't think +Jenky is going to settle for that now.

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