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 Post subject: Re: Progressive rock
PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:25 pm 
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I love progressive rock, among the bands who might be considered 'progressive' of whom I own at least some albums (I can be very selective and there are very few bands that I own their entire discography)

Rush
Pink Floyd
Early, Peter Gabriel era Genesis
King Crimson
Klatauu (a very obscure band from the 70's)
Hawkwind
Jethro Tull
King's X

One modern progressive band that you might not have heard of but might like is Spock's Beard

I also like progressive metal, including Fates' Warning, Queensryche and Iron Maiden (it is true that most people don't consider Iron Maiden to be a progressive group, but I defy anyone to provide a definition of 'progressive rock' that does not include Iron Maiden). I also think that Metallica and Megadeth, while probably not 'progressive' have albums that lean towards the progressive side of the scale.


Dr. Doom, you also forgot:

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Styx (Early and some elements in even the more popular albums - Grand Illusion)
ELP
Moody Blues


Agreed on Iron Maiden - they are progressive

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 Post subject: Re: Progressive rock
PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:22 pm 
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Anyone remember Kenny Rogers and the First Edition.

Try and get this blast from the past out of your head...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCNORo_tmKs

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 Post subject: Re: Progressive rock
PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:00 am 
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Riverboat wrote:
Could we argue Dylan was progressive folk? He did use a non-traditional instrument, namely, an electric guitar.

Anyway, I happen to enjoy at least some of his work. One of my favorite albums is Blood on the Tracks. He couldn't hold up to Pavarotti, but his voice suits his work.


Bob Dylan is, along with the Beatles (Sgt Pepper) and the Beach Boys (Pet Sounds) a huge influence on the burgeoning progressive rock scene of the late 60's. But of course, none of those artists are progressive in their own right. Dylan was an inspiration because he writes poetic lyrics and tends to avoid the usual rock song cliches like songs about love, partying and teenage rebellion, and the Beatles and Beach Boys because they introduced a lot of interesting studio effects and wrote songs that were darker and more serious than what the other bands were talking about.

The more I think about it, the more I think that the Beatles directly inspired every single subgenre of rock that came after them up to about the rise of disco in the late 70's. 'Ticket to Ride' and 'I Feel Fine' were among the first heavy metal songs, 'Helter Skelter' was probably the first punk song, 'Get Back' initiated the 'garage band' movement, Sgt Pepper inspired progressive rock, while rockers like 'Old Brown Shoe', 'Revolution' and 'Yer Blues' prefigured the 'southern rock' movement. It's only when you get to disco and New Wave that you can say 'no, the Beatles never did a song like this'.


There is also the related question of whether or not psychedelic rock, like 'Green Tambourine', 'I Just Checked In To See What Condition My Condition Was In' or 'Journey to the Center of the Mind' are an example of early progressive rock songs merely an inspiration to later artists who would be described as progressive or a completely unrelated subgenre of rock.

Where does Jimi Hendrix fall in the psychedelic or "acid" rock.

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 Post subject: Re: Progressive rock
PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:00 am 
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Doom wrote:
Riverboat wrote:
Could we argue Dylan was progressive folk? He did use a non-traditional instrument, namely, an electric guitar.

Anyway, I happen to enjoy at least some of his work. One of my favorite albums is Blood on the Tracks. He couldn't hold up to Pavarotti, but his voice suits his work.


Bob Dylan is, along with the Beatles (Sgt Pepper) and the Beach Boys (Pet Sounds) a huge influence on the burgeoning progressive rock scene of the late 60's. But of course, none of those artists are progressive in their own right. Dylan was an inspiration because he writes poetic lyrics and tends to avoid the usual rock song cliches like songs about love, partying and teenage rebellion, and the Beatles and Beach Boys because they introduced a lot of interesting studio effects and wrote songs that were darker and more serious than what the other bands were talking about.

The more I think about it, the more I think that the Beatles directly inspired every single subgenre of rock that came after them up to about the rise of disco in the late 70's. 'Ticket to Ride' and 'I Feel Fine' were among the first heavy metal songs, 'Helter Skelter' was probably the first punk song, 'Get Back' initiated the 'garage band' movement, Sgt Pepper inspired progressive rock, while rockers like 'Old Brown Shoe', 'Revolution' and 'Yer Blues' prefigured the 'southern rock' movement. It's only when you get to disco and New Wave that you can say 'no, the Beatles never did a song like this'.


There is also the related question of whether or not psychedelic rock, like 'Green Tambourine', 'I Just Checked In To See What Condition My Condition Was In' or 'Journey to the Center of the Mind' are an example of early progressive rock songs merely an inspiration to later artists who would be described as progressive or a completely unrelated subgenre of rock.

Where does Jimi Hendrix fall in the psychedelic or "acid" rock.

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 Post subject: Re: Progressive rock
PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:51 am 
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Peetem wrote:
Doom wrote:
I love progressive rock, among the bands who might be considered 'progressive' of whom I own at least some albums (I can be very selective and there are very few bands that I own their entire discography)

Rush
Pink Floyd
Early, Peter Gabriel era Genesis
King Crimson
Klatauu (a very obscure band from the 70's)
Hawkwind
Jethro Tull
King's X

One modern progressive band that you might not have heard of but might like is Spock's Beard

I also like progressive metal, including Fates' Warning, Queensryche and Iron Maiden (it is true that most people don't consider Iron Maiden to be a progressive group, but I defy anyone to provide a definition of 'progressive rock' that does not include Iron Maiden). I also think that Metallica and Megadeth, while probably not 'progressive' have albums that lean towards the progressive side of the scale.


Dr. Doom, you also forgot:

Yes
Styx (Early and some elements in even the more popular albums - Grand Illusion)
ELP
Moody Blues


Agreed on Iron Maiden - they are progressive

Nope, I didn't forget anything, I was listing progressive bands of whom I own at least one album, and I don't own albums by any of the bands you listed.

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 Post subject: Re: Progressive rock
PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:40 pm 
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Where does Jimi Hendrix fall in the psychedelic or "acid" rock?


Good question, towards the end, on his last, and best, album 'Electric Ladyland', he was definitely heading in a more psychedelic direction. But he also inspired 'southern rock' bands like Lynyrd Skynyrd and early heavy metal bands like Black Sabbath and AC/DC. And he was definitely heading in a 'progressive' direction on that album, which some very complex compositions. It is frankly amazing that he was able to accomplish so much with absolutely no formal musical training and he was unable to read music.

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 Post subject: Re: Progressive rock
PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:41 pm 
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EtcumSpiri22-0 wrote:
Anyone remember Kenny Rogers and the First Edition.

Try and get this blast from the past out of your head...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCNORo_tmKs


I mentioned that one! Many people don't understand that it is actually an anti-drug song. Pay attention to the lyrics and it is clear.

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