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Author:  Will Storm [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:37 pm ]
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Am I on a wild goose chase? People tell me they exist, so then I ask them to show me. They do and it feels like a scene from Harvey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKECvqSVWPA

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:39 pm ]
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Fr. Mitch Pacwa.
Fr. Joseph Fessio (founder of Ignatius Press).

I have never seen Harvey, but I've read the play and love it. I would like to watch the movie sometime.

Author:  Will Storm [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:07 pm ]
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Thank you.

While we're on the topic. What are your thoughts on the liberalization of the order? When did it start and why?

Author:  gherkin [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:29 pm ]
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Fr. Schall.

Author:  gherkin [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:32 pm ]
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I don't know the history of the Jesuits well enough to say when they started to really tank. In some sense, they've always had issues--though the same could be said of most orders. I know that with the rise of modernism lots of things came unglued lots of places: a Jesuit I once knew reports that when he was in seminary (in the early 40's, IIRC), his fellow seminarians used to pass around various banned books by modernist writers.

And then there was Teilhard.

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:34 pm ]
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I don't think I know enough to give an in-depth commentary, but certainly by the time of Teilhard de Chardin (early 20th Century), there were problems.

I think the Jesuits have been wrong from Day One on grace and free will, but that's my Dominican side coming out.

Author:  gherkin [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:41 pm ]
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So, basically, you agree with me???????????????????????????2 :cloud9: :cloud9: :cloud9: :cloud9: :cloud9:

Author:  GKC [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 1:56 pm ]
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
Fr. Mitch Pacwa.
Fr. Joseph Fessio (founder of Ignatius Press).

I have never seen Harvey, but I've read the play and love it. I would like to watch the movie sometime.



Never seen .....

:shock:

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Tue Jan 17, 2017 2:35 pm ]
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gherkin wrote:
So, basically, you agree with me???????????????????????????2 :cloud9: :cloud9: :cloud9: :cloud9: :cloud9:

I never!

Author:  HalJordan [ Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:23 pm ]
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Would Fr John Hardon count as contemporary?

Author:  Nathan [ Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:56 pm ]
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:

I think the Jesuits have been wrong from Day One on grace and free will, but that's my Dominican side coming out.


Interesting, why are the Jesuits wrong? They be a tad Pelgianistic?

I think I agree more with the Dominicans too. Not for any particular theological reason that I can articulate and defend, but rather because...well, just because...

Author:  Peregrinator [ Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:02 pm ]
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There used to be such things as Jesuit Thomists, so I don't think it is fair to say that the Jesuits are "Pelagianistic."

There seems to be a strong liberal tendency in the order these days. I honestly don't know why that is, but liberal Jesuits are not hard to find, and non-liberal ones seem to be few and far-between.

Author:  Will Storm [ Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:05 pm ]
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
I think the Jesuits have been wrong from Day One on grace and free will, but that's my Dominican side coming out.


Could you explain a little further how Dominicans and Jesuits differ on grace and free will? Are you referring to principles that tend to be discussed by Jesuit/Dominican theologians or the core tenets of Ignatian Spirituality and Dominican Spirituality (Four Pillars)?

Author:  Nathan [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:30 pm ]
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Will Storm wrote:
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
I think the Jesuits have been wrong from Day One on grace and free will, but that's my Dominican side coming out.


Could you explain a little further how Dominicans and Jesuits differ on grace and free will? Are you referring to principles that tend to be discussed by Jesuit/Dominican theologians or the core tenets of Ignatian Spirituality and Dominican Spirituality (Four Pillars)?


Yea I too would like to know what the difference is..

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:32 pm ]
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http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04238a.htm

Author:  Nathan [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:34 pm ]
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Gah, you're making me read so much tonight, I just want to be spoon fed wisdom like the spiritual babe I am :D

Author:  Obi-Wan Kenobi [ Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:37 pm ]
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I know, but there's no way to answer that question briefly :)

Author:  Jack3 [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:22 am ]
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Nathan wrote:
Gah, you're making me read so much tonight, I just want to be spoon fed wisdom like the spiritual babe I am :D

I'm even smaller, I want things through the umbilical cord. :)

Author:  Strider [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:18 pm ]
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Fr. Robert McTeigue, S.J.

Author:  Strider [ Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:19 pm ]
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HalJordan wrote:
Would Fr John Hardon count as contemporary?


I was wondering the same...

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