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 Post subject: Shouldn't Catholic parishes be Catholic?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:06 pm 
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I've posted previously here about St. Francis Xavier, a Jesuit parish in Manhattan:

St Francis Xavier Parish in Manhattan at Gay Pride Parade.

"...and became human" vs. - "...and became man."

No screen in the confessional booth?

St. Francis Xavier parish website.

Someone advised me as a result of my reporting here to attend Mass elsewhere (I am registered in a different parish) but I had a difficult schedule this past weekend with work and other tasks so I attended the 11:30 am Mass on Sunday, 17 March 2019 (St. Patrick's Day). Here's what happened:

    The homily was given by a layperson, a woman who described herself as an atheist Roman Catholic. During her homily she gestured to a woman she identified as her wife.

    Near the end of the Mass, the Jesuit priest, an interim pastor, said forty is a big number, and had a lesbian couple come to the front of the altar to acknowledge their partnership of forty years. I left the pew, stood just outside the opened inner entrance doors and waited for the Mass to end. The priest spied me and went slightly out of his way to shake my hand. "Is this a Roman Catholic parish?" I pointedly asked. "Yes" he replied. "Shouldn't traditional Catholicism have primacy if not exclusivity of place?" I then asked. "I think it does" he responded. "I don't think so" said I. He then began speaking with others and shaking their hands as they exited.

Perhaps "traditional Catholicism" was not the best phrase as "orthodox Catholicism" might have been better, but I doubt there was any misunderstanding. I feel like writing about my experiences now and submitting the piece to some Catholic watchdog or other publication. Any suggestions? (The Wanderer, The National Catholic Register, First Things, Rorate Caeli ::): ).

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Dumb question . . . shouldn't that be a letter to the local bishop?

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I suspect crypto-Episcopalians.

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
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Believers need to be persistent in prayer and take the faith seriously.

Eucharistic Adoration time should be flooded with people (I understand many can't make it for various reasons). Do we have to wait for fire to fall out of the sky before we respond?

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
In this case, Cardinal Dolan.


Is the local bishop the proper authority to discipline an order such as the Society of Jesus?

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They operate in his diocese with his permission.

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Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:
They operate in his diocese with his permission.


Thank you, Father. I plan to inform Cardinal Dolan.

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 Post subject: Re: Shouldn't Catholic parishes be Catholic?
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 Post subject: Re: Shouldn't Catholic parishes be Catholic?
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Man, I looked over the church site, and words fail me. Catholic Lesbians? Ignatian yoga? All this inside one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen. But it sure needs a cleansing. Or a few tables overturned by someone wielding a whip.

I'm with Dorothy B. Busloads of faithful need to pack that Eucharistic Adoration to pray for reparation of this outrage.

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 Post subject: Re: Shouldn't Catholic parishes be Catholic?
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St. Irenaeus of Lyons wrote:
I've posted previously here about St. Francis Xavier, a Jesuit parish in Manhattan:

St Francis Xavier Parish in Manhattan at Gay Pride Parade.

"...and became human" vs. - "...and became man."

No screen in the confessional booth?

St. Francis Xavier parish website.

Someone advised me as a result of my reporting here to attend Mass elsewhere (I am registered in a different parish) but I had a difficult schedule this past weekend with work and other tasks so I attended the 11:30 am Mass on Sunday, 17 March 2019 (St. Patrick's Day). Here's what happened:

    The homily was given by a layperson, a woman who described herself as an atheist Roman Catholic. During her homily she gestured to a woman she identified as her wife.

    Near the end of the Mass, the Jesuit priest, an interim pastor, said forty is a big number, and had a lesbian couple come to the front of the altar to acknowledge their partnership of forty years. I left the pew, stood just outside the opened inner entrance doors and waited for the Mass to end. The priest spied me and went slightly out of his way to shake my hand. "Is this a Roman Catholic parish?" I pointedly asked. "Yes" he replied. "Shouldn't traditional Catholicism have primacy if not exclusivity of place?" I then asked. "I think it does" he responded. "I don't think so" said I. He then began speaking with others and shaking their hands as they exited.

Perhaps "traditional Catholicism" was not the best phrase as "orthodox Catholicism" might have been better, but I doubt there was any misunderstanding. I feel like writing about my experiences now and submitting the piece to some Catholic watchdog or other publication. Any suggestions? (The Wanderer, The National Catholic Register, First Things, Rorate Caeli ::): ).

Actual Catholic also works.

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 Post subject: Re: Shouldn't Catholic parishes be Catholic?
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As alluded to above, you sure you didn't wander into a conservative, traditional Episcopalian church?

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Man, I looked over the church site, and words fail me. Catholic Lesbians? Ignatian yoga? All this inside one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen. But it sure needs a cleansing. Or a few tables overturned by someone wielding a whip.

I'm with Dorothy B. Busloads of faithful need to pack that Eucharistic Adoration to pray for reparation of this outrage.


We need to pray not only for reparation, but pray for the souls of those deceived, because we don't want the evil one to win their souls, right?

Matthew 5:43,44 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you'........"

Peace, Dorothy


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Dorothy B. wrote:

We need to pray not only for reparation, but pray for the souls of those deceived, because we don't want the evil one to win their souls, right?

Matthew 5:43,44 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you'........"

Peace, Dorothy


"This is not the enemy, flesh and blood have been deceived ... "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEExS6EWFN4

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I pray for our prelates. It is the gravest obligation for them to reprove and discipline those in their care who delve into wickedness.

As was quoted in the old formulae for excommunication

Son of man, I have made thee a watchman to the house of Israel: and thou shalt hear the word out of my mouth, and shalt tell it them from me. [18] If, when I say to the wicked, Thou shalt surely die: thou declare it not to him, nor speak to him, that he may be converted from his wicked way, and live: the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but I will require his blood at thy hand. [19] But if thou give warning to the wicked, and he be not converted from his wickedness, and from his evil way: he indeed shall die in his iniquity, but thou hast delivered thy soul. [20] Moreover if the just man shall turn away from his justice, and shall commit iniquity: I will lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die, because thou hast not given him warning: he shall die in his sin, and his justices which he hath done, shall not be remembered: but I will require his blood at thy hand.



How few prelates actually have faith! For, if they did, they would know that this sort of toleration has a damned price. Pray for your prelate, that he, as a real shepherd, chases off the wolves. What a terrible burden, and how few accept the yoke.

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