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 Post subject: Morality of crosswalk buttons
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:04 am 
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Let's say a man is walking his dog and just leisurely strolling about in his spare time. He approaches a busy street with scores of cars going both ways. Disregarding the fact that crosswalk buttons are generally fake, as it is a sin to intend to do something even if it is impossible, or even if you change your mind, is it sinful for him to press the crosswalk button in the hopes that he can spend less time waiting on the light and force scores of people who may actually have things to do to wait on him?

Ok, I admit this isn't a serious issue. ::):

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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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Only someone who is enslaved to the American car mentality would even ask the question of whether it is immoral for a pedestrian to make drivers wait. :P

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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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Yesterday when I was in NJ, I saw a lady pressing the crosswalk button over and over again as if she thought that would actually be helpful. I guess no one has told her that they are generally fake.

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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 10:44 am 
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It's true that the crosswalk button doesn't make the light turn red any faster, but you are quite wrong that it doesn't do anything at all....when you hit the crosswalk button it activates the 'walk/don't walk' sign, which, in most places these days anyway, also have a timer telling you how much time you have to cross before the light turns green again...and without that...you're really just guessing and hoping against hope that the light doesn't turn green when you're only halfway across...


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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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Around here the light in the pedestrian direction actually stays green longer in many cases if the button has been pushed. So it might not make it change faster but it does make sure you have long enough to cross the street.


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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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Zeno wrote:
Around here the light in the pedestrian direction actually stays green longer in many cases if the button has been pushed. So it might not make it change faster but it does make sure you have long enough to cross the street.


Well, for my part, I don't think I've ever seen a city where the 'walk/don't walk' sign activates if no one has pushed the button...


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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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Around here the light in the pedestrian direction actually stays green longer in many cases if the button has been pushed. So it might not make it change faster but it does make sure you have long enough to cross the street.


Well, for my part, I don't think I've ever seen a city where the 'walk/don't walk' sign activates if no one has pushed the button...


I've seen one instance of that. I don't know why it's on that one road, though.

Also, I have to say, being someone who walked to Mass every day for a while, I find the walk signs around here to be utterly useless. Most of them will only activate if you press the button before the light turns green. I have actually gotten to a light right when it turned green, pressed the button, and nothing happened. And I was on the main street. The light was on for another minute and a half. Things like this happen all the time. So I basically just do hope I have enough time to go across, and I nearly always do. Ugh, crosswalk signs.

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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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Crosswalk buttons usually affect the pedestrian signal and/or time to cross

In some intersections they do change the lights. We have many lights here that, rather than strict timers, adjust automatically for traffic. Which is nice, you come up to a red and there is no cars going the other way and it changes immediately. It will stay green for the actual traffic until there is traffic the other way, or until someone presses the crosswalk button.

They also have them now on crosswalks that aren't at lights, but go through busier streets. Usually it has some flashing lights to signal drivers that someone is crossing.

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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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Bagheera wrote:
Only someone who is enslaved to the American car mentality would even ask the question of whether it is immoral for a pedestrian to make drivers wait. :P

Only a yankee could make such an asinine statement.

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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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Bagheera wrote:
Only someone who is enslaved to the American car mentality would even ask the question of whether it is immoral for a pedestrian to make drivers wait. :P

Only a yankee could make such an asinine statement.

Only a Texan could confuse a near-southerner like dcs with a yankee. dcs's state touches the mason dixon line. He's no yankee. :fyi:

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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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gherkin wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Bagheera wrote:
Only someone who is enslaved to the American car mentality would even ask the question of whether it is immoral for a pedestrian to make drivers wait. :P

Only a yankee could make such an asinine statement.

Only a Texan could confuse a near-southerner like dcs with a yankee. dcs's state touches the mason dixon line. He's no yankee. :fyi:

:laughhard

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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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Bombadil wrote:
gherkin wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Bagheera wrote:
Only someone who is enslaved to the American car mentality would even ask the question of whether it is immoral for a pedestrian to make drivers wait. :P

Only a yankee could make such an asinine statement.

Only a Texan could confuse a near-southerner like dcs with a yankee. dcs's state touches the mason dixon line. He's no yankee. :fyi:

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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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Here in Morgantown, the crosswalk buttons are definitely NOT fake .... but they also tend to be ignored by most people.

When you press one, it will, after a short wait, turn the signal for cars in all four directions to red, and activate the "WALK" signal for pedestrians.

But, as I said, most pedestrians ignore it. They will cross if it is clear, or if the auto traffic on the same street has a green.

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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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People north of Amarillo are mighty questionable.


Amarillo?!? Hell, I'm in Austin and there are folks who consider US suspect. Maybe it's just because of the rampant left-coast politics here..... :hijacked

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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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Is Austin still part of Texas?

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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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Is Austin still part of Texas?


Depends on whom you ask. :|

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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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Bombadil wrote:
gherkin wrote:
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Only someone who is enslaved to the American car mentality would even ask the question of whether it is immoral for a pedestrian to make drivers wait. :P

Only a yankee could make such an asinine statement.

Only a Texan could confuse a near-southerner like dcs with a yankee. dcs's state touches the mason dixon line. He's no yankee. :fyi:

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gherkin is correct as regards the traditional use of the term. It was originally limited to descendents of English settlers in New England. Since I am not from New England, nor even primarily of English descent, I am not a Yankee. Of course, to a European I am a Yankee, but then so is virtually everyone else in this forum.

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 Post subject: Re: Morality of crosswalk buttons
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Move here. In our downtown area, if someone puts a foot off the curb, every car has to stop for them or risk a big fat ticket. Pedestrians have the right-of-way here.

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Pedestrians have the right-of-way here.


Pedestrians have the right of way everywhere, that doesn't mean that it's smart to dart out in front of oncoming traffic, if you want to commit suicide there are more efficient means to do it.....


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Pedestrians have the right-of-way here.


Pedestrians have the right of way everywhere, that doesn't mean that it's smart to dart out in front of oncoming traffic, if you want to commit suicide there are more efficient means to do it.....


Here it is enforced. We got a ticket (as did 5 other cars) because someone put one foot off the curb - not in a cross walk, they were hidden behind a van, but, they were still considered to have the right of way.

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